it's a country in the center of the Balkans. Today's Republic of Macedonia is only a part of what it used to be Macedonia, because after the Balkan wars in 1913-1914 it was divided between Greece (who took the biggest part), Bulgaria, Serbia and Albania. Today's' Republic was the Serbian part...
pozdrav
2006-09-25 10:04:46
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answer #2
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answered by Anonymous
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Again a question (probably by the same person who uses fake identities!) that expresses unhistorical and fanatic views that attacking Greece and the history of Greek Macedonia.
Let’s see the real facts.
King Philip (Philip is a personal name, derived from Greek Philippos (Φίλιππος), meaning "lover of horses", from philo "love" and hippos "horse") was a Greek king of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia (not the modern Slav/Albanian-Macedonia). The Greek name of the king is found in his monuments and in his coins (written of course in pure Greek language).
(The asker should check better before he writes unhistorical questions).
Phillip didn’t defeat or conquered the Greeks at the battle of Chaeronea!
He defeated the Athenians an the Thebans. And it was not only the Macedonians but there were also the Thessalians.
So actually the battle of Chaeronea was a civil conflict between the alliance of Thebes and Athens against the alliance of Macedon (the ancient Greek kingdom) and the Thessalians.
What the asker doesn’t know is that there wasn’t a Greek country as we know it today. There were actually a lot of Greek states and there were a lot of Greek states out side of Greece.
{There were the Greek city states of mainland Greece (such as Sparta, Athens, Thebes etc), the Greek kingdoms of northern Greece, (Epirus and Macedon), the Greek city states of Italy and Cicely, the Greek states of Asia Minor (such as Ephesus, Mellitus, Pergamus, etc) and various Greek colonies around the Black sea and the western Mediterranean.}
What king Philip did was exactly what other Greeks had tried before, to force hegemony over other Greek states. The Athenians were the first who did it by duding the Athenian hegemony, the Spartans followed, later Thebes and finally Macedon (Greek Macedonia).
In case the asker doesn’t know there were constant wars between the various Greek states.
What was the difference with Philip is the fact that he tried to unite Greece and led a united Greek campaign against the Persian Empire.
He was the first who introduced by force the concept of Pan-Hellenic (all Greeks united)
He succeed to formed the league of Corinth (which was called then simply as “The Greeks”). In that league only Greeks were allowed to participate and under the leadership of Philip they were to attack the Persians.
His son Alexander the Great continued his caused and he is responsible for the spreading of Greek culture and language around the known world.
(It would be the first example in history to have a non Greek spreading so fanatic the Greek culture and language!!!)
The ancient Macedonians were considering them selves Greeks and there are a lot of references about it!
(... Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Hellas I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery.... If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Hellenic cause, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am Alexander of Macedon."
(Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45)
and by Alexander the great
"Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury;... I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks... "
(Arrian, II, 14, 4)
And again Alexander the great
"There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service -- but how different is theirs cause from ours! They will be fighting for pay--- and not much of it at that; we on the contrary shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it. As for our foreign troops ---Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians, Agrianes --- they are the best and stoutest soldiers of Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of Asia."
(Arrian, 11.7)
Of course there are countless references in ancient text and of course thousand of archaeological finds that prove the Greek origin of the Macedonians. (Such as epigraphs, tombs, coins, etc)
As for 1913 Greece didn’t occupied Macedonia but instead Greece liberated the Ottoman occupied Macedonia. At that point the ottoman provinces of the Balkans had a population as shown in the Ottoman census of Hilmi Pasha (1904):
Vilaeti of Thessaloniki Greeks: 373,227 Bulgarians: 207,317
Vilaeti of Monastiri (present day Bitola) Greeks: 261,283 Bulgarians: 178,412
Santzaki of Scopje Greeks: 13,452 Bulgarians: 172,735
Since Greece liberated only the land that was the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia as a result Greek population remained outside of Greece. Also an amount of Bulgarian population remained in Northern Greece. During the 1919-1930 (by treaties between the Balkan countries) there were exchanges of population.
380,000 Muslims left Greece and 1,500,000 Greeks came to Greece from Asia Minor. After the signing of the treaty of Neuilly in 1919, Greece and Bulgaria agreed on a population exchange on the remaining Bulgarian minority in (Greek) Macedonia. In the same year some 66,000 Bulgarians and other Slavophones left to Bulgaria and Serbia, while 70 thousands of Greeks entered Greece. At that time only the Greece were using the term Macedonia since it was a Greek name.
Of course there was never an ethnic cleansing (this accusation is simply a nonsense) but instead an agreed exchange of population between Greeks and Slavs of Bulgarian or Serbian origin.
Of course if any person denies his own history and wants to believe that he is real (Greek) Macedonian he has the right to call his self as he likes. Nothing wrong with that! He hasn’t got the right though to steal (or actually highjack) the history of another nation such as the Greek history.
A person should be proud of his own history. After all we all are the same. There aren’t any inferior or superior nations.
2006-09-24 23:35:01
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answer #3
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answered by ragzeus 6
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