Palestine for the Jews?

Question

If so many Americans believe the Jewish people have a historical right to Palestine, will they also be packing up and preparing to hand back America to the native Americans who lived there 2000 years ago?

Avondrow - precisely the point I'm trying to make. The US seems very selective in what history it takes account of.

Answer 1

Some of you don't seem to get the questioners point. As I see it he isn't suggesting we return everyone to their historical points of origin, but demonstrating the ridiculous nature of the Zionist argument for being allowed (and supported by the USA) to steal palestinian land.

Answer 2

your question is based on the florishing opportunity to see how badly life can go if institution get the wet blanket of (guilty trips).
I too am totally appalled at the resillance of posturing for the sake of embassement, the vary core values we stand for. the games of giants is now being played by mire voted elected people who are not the equals of the founding father lasting hopes that we will endure our selves, we seem to be cannibaling our seIves,we are putting a country together to avoid almost everything we now embrace.this is what happens when the bath tub theory goes on til it becomes a last man bottle where the senate and congress go on for years over nothing but your bucks and who ever starts these things is dead then the next pick up the cry and this will never stop til the money runs out and the lights are turned off, Your not seeing that the land really has a life of its own free from your and my wants if it can't be it will be a battle ground and as you die and I die the other will also be gone and so does the ideals that sway kingdoms. jews and palestine doesn't cut it any more, neither does the talk of indians grabbing casino rights to the spoils of wars they lost. they are only alive through the goodness that some of them that lived learned and survived. they bad indians was a dead indian, enough of this you have to see that the oppression of the thinking can led to guilt trip and that means stupid outcomes."guilt trips" just like wars inability to prevent prisoner from being torture and the prevailing authoritive code of conduit, this is totally not to be in the hands of the public. wars give us our freedom and I will always turn my back on what ever means we have to take to get it done.period.. talk nice talk and move on after the wars over. each step in "Guilt Trips"is regressive in its own design.

Answer 3

You better watch what you ask some numb skull will call this question a violation. In this grossly unfair world anti- Jewish rhetoric is not tolerated, but you can say what you like about Muslims and get away with it. The reason the American people support Israel is that they know how it feels to butcher nations for their land and it would be hypocritical to do otherwise........
I only wish the native American nation could claim more of there land back, but who owns the purse strings in America ?

Answer 4

It's not that simple.

The Jewish people migrated to Israel and weren't stopped. They acquired property, which was legal. They kept coming and coming. Next thing you know, they were the majority and the Palestinians were mad because that meant they became the minority. They didn't see this slow, but legal, invasion coming. The Jews came en masse knowing this to be the plan from the start. We call them Zionists or Zionist Jews. It was no accident they chose the area around Jerusalem (Zion) as that was where they were driven from by the Roman Empire at the beginning of the century.

For your analogy to be correct, the native Americans would have to semi-secretly and purposefully buy property in America and spread across it until they were in the majority (controlling the votes). The major difference is they don't have to come en masse from another country to "return" here. Another difference is the Jews aren't reclaiming it from the people who originally took it from them.

By American [legal] standards, they have a rightful claim. They acquired their land in accord to the laws of the land. The "historical right" of the Jews to reclaim Zion is only one of their arguments and is used to describe why they picked Israel as opposed to, say, Bosnia.

The UN recognizes Israel as a state because it was done in a legal manner. An invasion of sorts, yes, but not a hostile or illegal one.

The true root of the anger between the Palestinians and the Zionist Jews is more of a Muslim/Jew thing. Muslims generally hold Christians and Jews in low regard. Not surprising as Christians, on a religious level, do likewise. Islam at least recognizes Christians and Jews as "People of the Book" and higher than Polytheists as, essentially, all three worship the same God in different ways. The central theme of Islam, however, has traditionally put them at odds with the Jews. They believe the Jews distorted the Qur'an into the Torah and the Christians distorted the gospels into the New Testament. I believe THIS is the true source of the anger. And the recent departure from emphasis on peace by Islamic extremists has brought about violence. Iran's president (Iran is a major funder of Hamas and Hezbollah), Ahmadinejad's recent revelation of his quest to be Hitler reincarnated, hasn't helped quell the violence. [Interesting sidenote: Nazi flag sales in Iran have quadrupled. Videos taken at terrorist training camps actually show them performing the Nazi "Heil Hitler" salute. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0487116/ ]

It's also worth noting that many Orthodox Jews don't associate themselves with the Zionist Jews, arguing that the Torah states they (Jews in general), basically, aren't supposed to have a homeland until the Messiah returns. Orthodox Jews also do not condone the violence used by the Zionists.

*In recent news (today), the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, has proposed finally recognizing Israel and is fighting for what would hopefully amount to peace. Unfortunately, the terrorist party, Hamas, isn't going for it and is using its power to block it.

Answer 5

That's a ridiculous argument. That's exactly like the argument promoting reparations for black people. Why should people who have never been enslaved or suffered today be entitled to money stolen from people who never persecuted them to begin with? What our ancestors did is of no concern today. What matters is today. And today, Israel belongs to the people of Israel. It's only a bonus that it was their land to begin with.

The international community peacefully and unanimously declared that land to be the state of Israel, which was largely unpopulated and mostly desert. Because the arabs refuse to tolerate their neighbors, and claim some religious right to any land they once conquered, they have been attacking Israel since it's inception. They were once offered a peace deal which gave Yasser Arafat 98% of the palestinian demands. Because he refused, Jews die to this day, and arabs die as well.

If you want to get technical, Judea was conquered by the Roman empire and the jews were expelled, and the Romans named the province after their long-time adversaries, the Philistines. Then, when Muhammad's religion of peace finished conquering all of the arab peninsula, they turned their sights on the remaining jewish people and converted the Philistines to Islam. The Philistines, if you want to play the legal claim game, originated from Syria. The Philistines never had any claim to that land, but now they live there, and now that no one is alive who used to own it, and none of the Palestinians living today stole it from the Judeans, we all have to learn how to live together. And neither side can bring up "historical claims" because everyone migrated from somewhere, and all nations include territory that at one time did not belong to them. That's just a fact of life, get over it.

The USA is not surrendering California to Mexico, just as Mexico is not surrendering their land to the indigenous people, just as those indigenous people would not surrender their land from the tribes they conquered, and so on. But, just like an indian reservation, the Israelis have been given a VERY small amount of land to reside in. If America were to brutally suicide bomb indian reservations, whose side would you take?

Answer: The people who are getting bombed.

Answer 6

LOL... although do remember, that most of the idiots will flood back into Europe, do we really WANT them back?

But on a serious note, try to remember this is not a "jewish" issue, it's an Israeli one.

What Europe should do is to fund the Arab states to run the Israeli's out of Palestine and hand the country back to its people.
If the Americans love the Israeli's so much, then let them create their state in the middle of the US.

Answer 7

The Jews have roamed that land for centuries, when there were no border, but groups who each controlled there own space and made their own laws! That area was also belonged to both Great Britain and Rome!

What we did was not right! The reality is that we took the land by murder and rape, but that was long ago and it isn't going to be changed! Neither is anyone going to kick the Jews out, who occupy a space about the size of NJ!

Answer 8

Let's consider the amount of Native Americans who own major highway tolls, CASINOS!$$$$$, free college and tuition with benefits out the nose, and never pay a dime in taxes,. I feel horrible about the losses and pain these people have suffered but if we didn't come in and establish this great country it might be New Spain, and they'd be guilty of the same crimes. I've got native american in my blood, but if you ask me I'll take my house over a teepee in the snow any day of the week.

Answer 9

And the native Americans to then hand it back to the Cloivs people, or whatever! The problems is that when you go back far enough, few populations can claim to be truly indigenous, most hold their land by conquest or displacement. It gets very very murky!

Answer 10

THE NATIVE MADE THE CLAIM THAT THE LAND WAS THERE LAND. NATIVES IN FACT THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY WHEN THE WHITE MEN PAID THEM BEADS FOR ITEMS THAT THEY FELT BELONGED TO EVERYONE. THE JEWS HAVE ALWAYS CLAIMED THERE LAND AS THIERS, AND IT WAS HOLY. ONLY UNTIL RECENT TIMES HAVE MUSLIMS DONE THE SAME ( AND WHEN I MEAN RECENT - I MEAN WITHIN THE LAST 900 HUNDRED YEARS- GIVE OR TAKE). NATIVES WHERE NEVER UNITED AS A NATION OR A BODY. INFACT THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE IT FROM THEM. IT'S THE SAME AS THE BLACKS THAT SOLD BLACKS IN AFERICA IN THE DAYS OF EARLY AMERICA.

YOU NEED TO KNOW YOUR HISTORY.

REMMEBER LOVE ELVIS AND HIS MOTHER.