Morganie_xo -----this ones for you You asked and so here it goes...?

Question

I said-When we do not hold individuals responsible for their individual actions but instead clump those of similar ethnicity or religious beliefs together and hold the group responsible we lower ourselves to the level of the terrorists."
You said-
Are you making a specific accusation against our leaders or our military? Because I have seen no evidence that such discrimination is occurring
"Reported incidents of anti-Muslim bias, harassment, discrimination and violence in the US increased by 29.6 percent in 2005"
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/09/us-anti-muslim-bias-incidents-spiked.php
You said-Terrorists violate international law daily, yet you choose to get angry at our elected officials. Why?
look for your self--Saddam Hussein, the former Iraqi president who was ousted by the US invasion in 2003, had no links to al-Qaeda, according to a long-awaited US Senate report released yesterday. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2809024c-3fa0-11db-a37c-0000779e2340.html

I said-This is not one country against another country-- this war on terrorism is about one country against an idea, a ghost, a holy war."

You said- Al Quaida is not an idea, Hezbollah is not a ghost and neither is Hamas - these are all interconnected terrorist networks with REAL people and REAL goals to murder, destroy and blow up CIVILIANS to advance THEIR GOALS! Wake UP!!!
I say READ THIS
Al-Qaida
Goal is to unite Muslims to fight the United States as a means of defeating Israel, overthrowing regimes it deems "non-Is-lamic," and expelling Westerners and non-Muslims from Muslim countries. Eventual goal would be establishment of a pan-Islamic caliphate throughout the world. Issued statement in February 1998 under the banner of "The World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders" saying it was the duty of all Muslims to kill US citizens, civilian and military, and their allies everywhere.
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/qaida.htm

Al-Qaeda differs significantly from more traditional terrorist organizations. It does not depend on the sponsorship of a political state, and, al-Qaeda operates as a franchise. It provides financial and logistical support, as well as name recognition, to terrorist groups operating in such diverse places as the Philippines, Algeria, Eritrea, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Tajikistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Kashmir. Furthermore, local groups may act in the name of al-Qaeda in order to bolster their own reputation—even if they are not receiving support from the organization.
Al-Qaeda's leadership oversees a loosely organized network of cells. It can recruit members from thousands of "Arab Afghan" veterans and radicals around the world. Its infrastructure is small, mobile, and decentralized—each cell operates independently with its members not knowing the identity of other cells. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda-t

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AtKG6GZlDcSURIqj6xRkG3Psy6IX?qid=20060919193855AAnLoFa
original question for those curious

eugene Robinson said it best "There should be no need to spell out the practical reasons against torture, but, for the record, they are legion. As Powell and others have argued, if the United States unilaterally reinterprets Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions to permit torture, potential adversaries in future conflicts will feel justified in doing the same thing. Does the president want some captured pilot to be subjected to the tortures applied in the CIA prisons?
And, as has been pointed out by experts, torture works -- far too well. Torture victims will tell what they know, and when their knowledge is exhausted they will tell their torturers what they want to hear, even if they have to invent conspiracies. The president says that torturing al-Qaeda kingpins foiled serious plots against America, but how do we know those plots were real?"

Answer 1

I agree.

Imagine if I decide that some guy is going to kill me. So I kill him first. Do I not go to jail for murder? Why is it acceptable to attack a sovereign nation using the logic that if we don't attack they will attack us later?

Answer 2

Regarding your article on Muslim bias:
I do not dispute the fact that there is anti-Muslim bias(along with anti-Semite, anti-Christian, anti-gay, etc.) in America, and that is truly sad. However. your original question was lambasting Cheney and our military for fighting terrorists saying that they grouped people together according to their beliefs. So again, I ask the question, how has Cheney, the military, or our foreign policy discriminated against Muslims?

I'm sure if Christian or Hindu terrorists financed by other countries were flying planes into our buildings, there would be a similar reaction!

Regarding Saddam:
It's funny how the terrorists seem to think there is an Iraqi/terrorism link... they keep showing up in Iraq and attacking our troops, destroying property, and bombing Iraqi citizens as they go to vote...

And regarding your information about Al-Qaeda... that is truly frightening. In what way does this make Al-Quaeda an idea or a ghost? I agree that Islamic terrorists want a holy war and they will settle for nothing less than our conversion or anihilation. So what are you suggesting? That we let them? I don't know what God you pray to or whether you are a religious person at all, but I will never bow my knee to Allah. I'd rather die.

The point of my original question is this: so many people are so violently against Bush and Cheney calling them evil and ranting against them, but very few people point out the real and horrific goals of the terrorist organizations: Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas etc. It's almost not PC to point out the psychosis of terrorists and the danger they pose to american society.

Do you have a better idea on how to stop terrorism than Bush, Cheney, their hundreds of foreign policy advisors, and the entire US Senate? If you do, run for office, email your congressman, because you obviously have some privledged information that our leaders are not privy to.

Why don't you use your intelligence and energy to protect and help our country instead of tearing our leaders down? Why don't you suggest some solutions instead of griping?

Answer 3

Well, I got a little lost in the "question" but must agree with "Dude." Bush sent our military into Iraq for one reason only -- so he could appear to be a macho "war President" for his re-election campaign, and being the moron that he is, things got out of hand, resulting in the loss of nearly 3,000 American lives, tens of thousands of Iraqi lives, destruction of hundreds of thousands of American and Iraqi families, waste of more than $300 billion so far . . . and loss of our standing as leader of the free world. Meanwhile, we "stay the course."