compared with other groups such as the Avengers and the x-men, why is the f4 so corny?

Question

they have stupid catch phrases and one x-men like bishop or one member of the avengers such as iron man(or war machine) could probably defeat all 4 members of f4. bishop absorbs others powers and could use them against the f4 and iron man has a crap-load of arsenal. the x-men also have way more dangerous adversaries. magneto would annihilate doom.

exactly what is so 'unfounded' about the arguement, 'martin'? and besides, no one said comic characters have to be nice and "un-violent". stick to the question at hand. Iron Man was never a f4 member. bishop, psylocke, cyclops, or other very powerful x-men or avengers beating the entire f4 single-handedly is. i could go another step and have f4 face Apocalypse. that would Really be a massacre no matter what group he came from or not-evil or good. so please stick to the question and not how 'violent' the other group is.

Answer 1

Because the FF is basically the same as it was in the 60s. The Avengers and X-Men have been updated through new members and "re-imaginings" while the FF is still a thin veiled statement of the importance of family and serving mankind. It also preaches acceptance...(ie: The Thing is the most emotionally vulnerable of the group even though he has the most monstrous appearance) while the X-Men are shunned because they are different. This allows for more varied and more serious storylines. Stan Lee wrote The X-Men as a commentary on the racial tensions at the time.

Answer 2

FF are hardly corny. They are the original Marvel Superhero team. You consider the X-men so much better because they have expanded so much. Original X-men (low-level Jean Grey and Iceman, Beast, Angel and Cyclops) were just as corny, but since the FF is so much similar to the original, there is no comparison. The X-men have more dangerous enemies as a result of this expansion.

BTW, Bishop does not absorb other's powers, he absorbs kinetic (active/moving) energy and redirects it. In addition, Johnny Storm (Human Torch) could beat him no matter the amount of energy he had (fire is not kinetic energy) because Bishop runs out, Johnny is a source. Also, Sue Storm could easily sneak up behind him, or even stay in front, then create a small force field around his mouth, making him stop breathing, and force him unconscious. And do you really think Iron Man and Bishop could best the blue-eyed ever-loving Thing? Yeah right, Iron Man would have to specially design weapons to take him down, weapons that Reed could easily create in half the time, not to mention creating weapons to take Iron Man down.

The Avengers are Superhero groups at their worst. It was a way for the executives at Marvel to capitalize their favorite heroes for another comic. This is seen VERY obviously in its most recent incarnation by bringing in such favorites as Wolverine and Spider-man.

Next time, learn the history of the groups before asking!

And for everyone's refrence, FF came before X-men by about 7 years in the 60's, and Avengers didn't come into the picture untill the 80's.

Answer 3

The beauty in the Fantastic Four is that no matter what, they always come together, as a family, as a team, a overcome every obstacle in their way. True, the X Men may have more violent and more powerful members among their ranks, as do the Avengers, but their individual personalities and story lines wind up getting confusing or masked out by the more popular or more angry characters in those books. My money is on an issue of the FF every time, regardless of who can beat whom.

Answer 4

Larry,The Merchant and myself all agree, after a heated argument about some French Toast, That people like the second guy who answered this question should just not answer questions because not only do they sound like fantastic ******* that they are, but they also make the question asker feel sort of bad about asking the question. Lastly, we all agree that regardless of wither or not they were part of the Avengers, if they aren't now then the second guys answer is just completly unfounded. Drop suck on that.

Answer 5

I would guess because they are Marvel's first superhero team. The corniness goes back to the very beginning, and it has remained with the comic to this day. The Fantastic Four are so fantastic because of their teamwork, and Susan Richards is not only their most powerful member, but one of the most powerful Marvel superheroes there is. (I would also like to add that all of the FF have been members of the Avengers.) Your entire argument is completely unfounded.

Answer 6

Reed Richards addressed this matter in an issue within the past few years. Why would he put them in the public eye like that? Why would he take upon himself a name that was sure to attract ridicule from criminals and ribald speculations as to the nature of his relationship with his chosen fiancee from the lower classes?

Like everything else in the Marvel Universe, it was primarily as a result of guilt. Just the same way that guilt is what shapes and onforms Spider-Man's life, guilt is what drives Reed Richards. It was a stroke of genius, making them into super heroes. He know that they could never again have any privacy. He knew that they had the option of accepting that the rest of the world would see them as freaks, or they could fight back-- gaining acceptance by becoming heroes.

Particularly inthe case of Ben Grim. The poor guy can't even look normal part of the time. Reed convinced him to pilot the ship. None of them would have been contaminated by the cosmic rays if it had not been for Reed. If Johnny hadn't developed such good contol over his ability, he'd be a public menace. If Sue hadn't developed her ability further than she had in the early days, she'd be useful as no more than a distracting hostage. The painfully serious science-talk Reed constantly spews is an obvious defense against being laughed at, as Plastic Man was. The difference is that Plastic Man had been an actual criminal and welcomed acceptance by honest citizens, even at the price of being laughed at. Reed was so much like Plastic Man, he called himself by a name that is strongly reminiscent of Mr. Man-Plastic.

But it's clear that Reed had to do something to keep them from sinking into a permanent despondence at the bizarre and irrevocable changes that took place in their bodies. The violation of their respective self-images could only be compensated by receiving public adulation as heroes. In that way, they are almost as bad as Victor Von Doom, hiding his disfigurement behind a steel mask. Reed took the cunning approach of hiding theirs in plain sight.

Answer 7

It's not that their corny, but their powers are just small compared to the X-men's. See not only do you have x-men's mutant abilities, but you also have to take into consideration that their powers are always changing, So there's always intrigue when it comes to the x-men. Plus, there;s always new and different characters coming and going in the comics.The same goes for the avengers when it comes to changing it's members.

Answer 8

Because Stan Lee and Steve Ditko used up most of their ideas on the XMen, that when they came up with another idea, they coulcn't think of anything well probably so maybe that's why they came up with something so corny like that. I think it is too. Looks like a rip -off version though.

Answer 9

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