Instead of a plan, did Bush find a 2-bit thug with lots of oil to beat up on and then call it a War on Terror?

Question

Instead of devising a thoughtful, intelligent plan to defeat al-Qaeda, did Bush,Dick, n Condi take the easy way out and beat up some punk who just happened to be sitting on trillions of dollars of oil?

"Hey Dick, let's call this oil grab our "War on Terror" and accuse anyone who questions it a traitor." "Ha ha George, you're not a complete and total moron after all."

It is a settled fact that Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world (second only to Saudi Arabia).

Answer 1

the answer to your question is... he knew that people didn't know anything about Iraq to begin with so he could say what he wanted and those that vote for him would buy it...

terrorists are there... he says... yet, few links to terror and none to 9-11?

he's a horrible dictator, yet darfur has seen many more deaths and Bush says the UN should handle it...

and WMD... they have been making them since the gulf war he says... yet we find none made in that period...

oh and since it's got plenty of oil (just because it has the least in Opec, doesn't mean it's not worth his while)... an invasion drives up the prices due to supply questions and oil men everywhere make billions...

funny all these people can say "you don't know what you're talking about"... yet they offer no other explanation?

Jimee77: you're assuming that Saddam is a threat and that he is hitler or napoleon... come on... that's like calling carrot top funny... he tries really hard but anyone with a brain can see it's not going to happen...

are you for America, or for those that use their power to line their own pockets?

geuwber10: ever go to the bookstore? there are MULTIPLE books by many people who know more about history that you or I do that say the war is a mistake?

but I guess if they don't support your idea, they are just propaganda masters... right?

Answer 2

Was Christopher Columbus a hero or just a vicious slave trader?

If the American Revolution for Independence was good, then why was The Confederacy's War for Independence bad?

Did Roosevelt ignore explicit warning that Pearl Harbor was about to be attacked to draw us into WWII?

Is Hawaii a state, or an imperial conquest?

If Iraq becomes a democracy, and model civilization in the Middle East, we will look back and say that the evils of war that we, and more importantly they have suffered are another great accomplishment of humanity despite great costs. And if not, it will be another futile war fought by vicious, fascist, imperialists at the expense of the common man, raining destruction on an entire society.

That said. You can either support its success and hope that America is (again) a champion of justice and democracy over oppression and tyranny, or you can fight against it in hopes that they fail until we become a Third Reicht or Napoleon.

Where does your allegiance lie? Are you willing to sacrifice America for politics?

Answer 3

Yah, I don't even think it was an oil grab, I think it was to try and outdo his Dad. But Senior Bush was a lot smarter - he just kicked the **** out of a buncha tanks and demoralized soldiers and left it at that. After 100 days on the ground, he achieved his objective - the complete destruction of Saddam's war machine and the removal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait.

Do you think we could have driven all the way to Baghdad at that point? EASILY - our soldiers are the greatest soldiers in the world with the best equipment. Look what happened when they were given the objective above - 100 days of ground fighting and our boys (mostly) come home. Why didn't we drive to Bagdad? Because the elder Bush realized what his son did not - it would become a quagmire. And from what we see today, he was right.

And in response to Nick N's comment - my balls are big enough, thanks. It's when your balls are bigger than your brain that you get in trouble. It is true that we should go after Osama - but he is not in Iraq. If we wanted to go after him, we should have 150,000 troops in Afghanistan and have Pakistan squeeze from the other side. We could probably get him that way. But now we are committed in Iraq for at least the next 5 years and probably longer. Why? Because Bush is a bad student of history and didn't do his homework on the Sunni-Shiite-Kurd problem. Would probably be smarter to split the country into 3, but then only one gets the oil.

So the death toll mounts for both Iraqi civilians and our military, and for what? What is the best case scenario? A democracy? What makes you think they are going to like us? They can democratically elect somebody like Ahmadinejad, who might then say "Wipe Israel AND the US off the map."

Meanwhile, Nick, since you are a (Fox) "news" watcher, you probably know that Bush has increased the deficit to pay for this war, and so you and your children and your children's children will be paying for that for the rest of your lives.

So let's examine the report card here:
Osama caught? No
War over? No
End of war in sight? No
Deficit increasing? Yes
Casualties declining? No
Iraqi government up and running? No
Cheaper oil? No
Stabilized Middle East? No
Our borders safer than before 9/11? No, not really.
Life is better for average Iraqi citizen? With the exception of the Kurds, no.
Bush morally superior to Saddam? Let's see:
Secret prisons
Torture and rendition
Holding people without charge for years on end (admittedly bad people, but let's charge them under our laws and throw them in jail if they are so bad)
Wiretapping and surveillance of anybody he deems a threat
Goes with "gut feel" instead of using billion-dollar intelligence apparatus.
Well, you get the idea.

So, in conclusion, this has been and will continue to be a disaster that will affect this country for years to come. America's "brand name" is in the dirt due to these cheeseheads, and I hope we make the Republicans pay. If we have to go Republican again, let's at least get a McCain or Powell in there who know what war is like and how to avoid one.

I could go on, but you get the picture. The sad fact is that balls and bluster are no substitute for brains, Nick. Too much of one and not enough of the other leads to bad decisions like this one.

Answer 4

If we went over there for oil, we would have gotten it over 10 years ago when George Hurbert Walker Bush attacked Saddam for invading Kuwait. There are many countries we could go to and fight the war on terror, why not start in Iraq & Afghanistan ?

Answer 5

iraq was the "foot in the door" to the middle east ... now to systematically put down any power in the region who is not agreeable to US policy ..saudi has been in our pocket for quite some time and are not a threat .. iran and syria are though ... by the time the "plan" is finished the US will effectively control approx 70% of the worlds oil .... i fully expect the US to hit iran within the next couple of years ... then "mop up" syria later ... maybe let israel handle them.

Answer 6

And what plan should they have come up with? We invaded Afghanistan destroyed the terrorist element there. What were they supposed to do after that? They cannot just invade anyone without cause so they are working with the governments of many nations and sharing information with them, you know the diplomatic route. Al Quaeda is hated by many more countries than the U.S. and they are eager to assist us in finding them in their respective countries. This was there only choice. Iraq failed to comply with U.N. weapon inspectors and was building and arming many weapons including nerve gas,which he once used to gas over 3,000 Kurds in a prison, weapons and a large army so we decided to relieve him of his power like the first war. Only this time, George junior decided not to abandon the Iraqi people like his father did.

Answer 7

Iraq is all part of the plan for starting world war 3, so those guys can establish their New World Order police state.

Answer 8

If we wanted to grab the oil, we would have a long, long time ago.
Sometimes people like Saddam just need an butt kicking.
In school I was tought that Iraq was once the "Cradle of Civilization"), maybe soon they will remember that and take personal responsability for their lives.

Answer 9

No, in fact we now have a huge aircraft carrier in the middle east called Iraq....

Wheres the oil then? If this was about just taking oil, we'd have taken it. You know full well thats not who this nation is and thats not who this president is.

Answer 10

Can you say Kuwait? If we wanted oil, we would have never left Kuwait. This is not about oil, it is about saving freedom. There is not one sane History buff out there who could say what the US is doing is a large mistake. The propaganist who do say this are either insane or good at what they do.