yet a statement from an ancient emporer that the pope read(not his personal view) caused worldwide backlash from the worshippers of islam!
2006-09-19 10:26:10 · 34 answers · asked by shiftyb2k6 1 in News & Events ➔ Current Events
Im not a Racist nor am I religious and am well aware of how to use capital letters thanks, It just confuses me why the Police can say that a Muslim (or anyone for that matter) can scream into a megaphone on a city street about beheading anyone who does'nt follow their beliefs and call it a peaceful protest!!!!!!
2006-09-19 10:44:04 · update #1
Muslims are special people. They have the "true" holy book, the Qur'an. If you disagree they will behead you too and every else who disagrees until no one disagrees. Then there will be no more violence in the world. It will be totally peaceful as everyone will obey the sharia law or they will be killed too. Islam is not a violent religion. Islam is a religion of peace, don't you agree?
Now Manuel II, the Byzantine Emperor had a totally different viewpoint. His empire had been taken over by Muslims and he had to pay the jizyah (submission tribute). Between 1379 and 1402 Byzantium had paid 690,000 hyperpyra (or 345,000 ducats) to the Ottomans.
http://www.roman-emperors.org/manuel2.htm
Islam is insidious, it encroaches on a culture slowly and deliberately. Here is a document which discusses the progression of Islam in great detail (50+ pages) -- "From dawa to jihad - the various threats from radical Islam to the democratic legal order":
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/netherlands/dawa.pdf
You are absolutely correct. Also, when all the non-Muslims are eliminated then there is peace because sharia law is so oppressive and violent too for anyone who rebels.
On Tuesday, September 12th, Pope Benedict XVI made a speech on "Faith and Reason" at the University of Regensburg in Germany and quoted from writings of an erudite 14th Century Byzantine Christian Emperor, Manuel II Palaiologos. Manuel II took notes during his dialogs in 1391 with the Persian Muderris at Ankara and his notebooks were preserved as the "Twenty-six Dialogs with a Persian" on the "truths of Christianity and Islam". The pontiff quoted Manuel II who said that spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable and that acting without reason was against God's nature.
The pontiff said, "Speaking about the issue of jihad, holy war, the emperor [Manuel II] said, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"
"Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul," added the pontiff in his own words.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=46474
Muslim reaction to that speech spanned from outrage to violence against nuns and churches. An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope's remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.
"We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life," said the message posted in the name of the Mujahedeen Army on a Web site frequently used by militant groups. The message's authenticity could not be independently verified. The statement was addressed to "you dog of Rome" and threatens to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home."
Full statement by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone on Pope Benedict XVI's response to Muslim anger over a speech he gave in Germany Tuesday... the pontiff was "very sorry" if he offended the sensibilities of Muslims worldwide.
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-09/16/05a.shtml
On Sunday, September 17th the pontiff said, " I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5353774.stm
Pope Benedict has the right to speak, he can certainly quote from the Bible and he can quote former Popes. His "apology" that he regrets Muslims became upset is appropriate because Muslims are always offended and humiliated whenever anything is said about Islam that is unflattering.
Pope Benedict made the comments in a speech at the University of Regensburg which was probably a written speech and his remarks were probably carefully researched and edited. In my opinion, the quote was appropriate for the times of the Crusades. The quote also seems applicable to Islamic jihhadists today.
Of course Muslims are outraged. It is a tenet of Islam that any time the religion is attacked that all Muslims have a duty to defend it. Violence gets attention. The timing of the speech is just before Ramadan. (Dates for Ramadan 2006 (or the Islamic year of 1427) are September 24th thru October 23rd.)
I wonder what level of protection the Swiss guards at the Vatican provide? What kind of weapons do they have?
Some contemporary evangelical Christian leaders such as Jerry Falwell and Jerry Vines have called Muhammad "a terrorist" and a "demon possessed pedophile who had twelve wives". Daniel Pipes sees Muhammad as a politician, stating that "because Muhammad created a new community, the religion that was its raison d'etre had to meet the political needs of its adherents." By contrast, Pope Benedict quoting Manual II is quite mild.
Here is what Robbie Burns wrote and I think it can also be applied to jihaddists of today although it was written for Christians:
"On Thanksgiving For A National Victory"
Ye hypocrites are these your pranks
to murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame proceed no further
God does ne want your thanks for murder.
Yah, I know, there is no compulsion in religion (2:256) and Islam is a peaceful religion. Taqiyah.
The one page essay by Dr. Walid Phares, "Islamic concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries" explains how a convert will become a terrorist:
http://www.fisiusa.org/fisi_News_items/news109.htm
Phares states, "It [taqiyah] is done to prevent the new converts from seeing the real face of Islam; at least until their faith or mental conditioning is strong enough to make them turn against their own country and people."
Not all Muslims blow up things, yet "jihad in the cause of Allah" "jihad fee sybil Allah" is "fard ayn" "compulsory duty" for all Muslims. Why? There are rules from the Quran for combattive jihad. Read this:
http://www.notislam.com/id8.html
What does the tape from Gadahn mean? Does anyone realize that Muslims are supposed to "dawa" "invite others to Islam" before jihad?
According to al-Mawardi an 11th Century Shafi'i jurist:
The mushrikun [infidels] of Dar al-Harb (the arena of battle) are of two types: First, those whom the call of Islam has reached, but they have refused it and have taken up arms.… Second, those whom the invitation to Islam has not reached, although such persons are few nowadays since Allah has made manifest the call of his Messenger…it is forbidden to…begin an attack before explaining the invitation to Islam to them, informing them of the miracles of the Prophet and making plain the proofs so as to encourage acceptance on their part; if they still refuse to accept after this, war is waged against them and they are treated as those whom the call has reached…
In the Hidayah, vol. II. p. 140 (Hanafi school):
It is not lawful to make war upon any people who have never before been called to the faith, without previously requiring them to embrace it, because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith, and also because the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war… If the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do."
Islam is insidious, it encroaches on a culture slowly and deliberately. Here is a document which discusses the progression of Islam in great detail (50+ pages) -- "From dawa to jihad - the various threats from radical Islam to the democratic legal order":
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/netherlands/dawa.pdf
Among Muslims there are those who:
a) jihad in the path of Allah with their wealth and their lives (including those who sit at home but give asylum to mujahidin 4:74) = true Muslim
b) those who sit at home (and do not give asylum to mujahidin or jihad in the path of Allah)
c) the handicapped (does not count as a category)
According to the Qur'an who is a true believer?
2:244 Fight for the cause of Allah, and know (for sure) that Allah is all-Hearing, and all-Knowing.
3:140 If you have sustained a wound, _ (a blow in the battlefield) _ others too have suffered a similar kind of wound, earlier. These are the vicissitudes of life that We circulate among mankind by turns. Thus, Allah tests the true believers among you, so He may pick the martyrs among you. Allah does not like the wrongdoers.
4:95 The two are not equal: those who sit at home (and do not join the fighting) _ unless they have a reason; they are handicapped _ and those who [jihad] strive hard in the path of Allah with their wealth and lives. Over those who sit at home, Allah has excelled and elevated to a higher honor those who strive hard with their wealth and lives. Compared to those who sit at home, Allah will award a far greater reward to those who wage a struggle.
8:74 Those who believed, left their homes and waged a struggle for the cause of Allah as well as those who helped and protected them are really the true believers. There is forgiveness for them and a generous rewards.
49:15 The (true) believers are actually those who believe in Allah and His messenger and then do not waver (and do not entertain doubts). With their wealth and their lives, they strive for the sake of Allah. Such are truly the sincere ones.
9:20 According to Allah, far higher in rank are those who believed, left their homes and waged a struggle with their wealth, and their lives. Such are the successful ones!
9:86 As soon as a chapter (of the Qur’an) is revealed (instructing them), “Believe in Allah and wage a struggle along with His messenger” the able bodied (and well to do) among them ask to be exempted. They say, “Leave us (behind). Let us be among those who sit at home
Killing (qitl) and jihad in the cause of Allah is the hallmark of true Muslim believers. It is not a matter of moderate or fanatic. It is the distinction of a true believer or a rebel.
4:76 Those who believe, do fight for the sake of Allah, while those who reject faith (Islam) fight for the cause of ‘taghut’ _ (all rebellious forces aligned against Allah). So, fight against the minions of Shaitan. Feeble indeed is the wily guile of Shaitan!
Does this include atomic weapons?
8:60 Acquire and prepare all the (military) strength you can muster, including the finest trained horses (and other military wares). With that, you would daunt and deter the enemies of Allah _ your enemies, and others besides them. You do not know them, but Allah (surely) knows them. Anything you spend in the path of Allah will be returned to you in full. You will not be wronged (at all).
2:216 Warfare (for the sake of Allah) has been ordained for you, though it is not something you like. It is possible that the thing you detest might just (turn out to) be good for you. It is possible that the thing you like (the most) might in reality be bad for you. Allah knows (all) while you know nothing (at all)!
4:74 Those who have traded away the life of this world for (the benefits of) the life-to-come, ought to fight for the sake of Allah. To anyone who fights for the sake of Allah, We will award the most generous reward whether he is killed (in the process) or comes out victorious.
These verses from the Qur'an can give us insight into the mind of a Muslim believer and the peaceful religion of Islam. Do read the entire sura from which they were extracted to get the entire context of the verses. It may make a difference.
2006-09-20 11:33:19 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
The reason why so much backlash happened with the statement the Pope read was because of who it came from - the Pope. The Pope is such a revered religious leader that many people take the opportunity to try and demean his stature. Unfortunately for him, a lot of the Catholic and Muslim views clash with one another and the statement read by him just caused the tension that was already there to inflame to new heights. I believe that every religion has their moments like this and it will eventually become forgotten and not such a big issue...after all, look at all the proclomations that the Catholic church has made and are not truly adhered to anymore.
2006-09-19 10:48:08 · answer #2 · answered by indycraving 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
This is a quote from a newspaper and I have to say, I agree.
Is this what they mean by 'Muslim Tolerance ?' Listen to this; make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home an evil fate.
Or then again, this 'Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. Then there is the instruction to fight against those who are not of the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. All are direct quotes from the Koran, which Muslims believe to be the absolute word of Allah and which can not be altered. Isn't it about time we stood up for what is good about our Christian civilisation. God Bless the Pope.
2006-09-19 11:38:46 · answer #3 · answered by Red Mary 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Because there are too many to arrest and no I am not a racist either, but what you have to consider here is that it a) wasn't his personal view as you said, but also b) it was taken out of context. Also when they call for these violent acts aren't they making people believe in what was written originally?
2006-09-19 22:06:05 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
As a Muslim I am quite embarrassed that they are angry about being called violent, and are showing so by being violent and threatening violence.
The pope is in a position of responsibility though and should be more careful about how his comments may affect others.
Still don't think the TELEVISED Muslim response was justified - remember we didn't ALL react in the same way.
2006-09-21 03:13:53 · answer #5 · answered by Omar Z 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
If i said in was going to behead blair for being an idiot im sure the police would take notice. Muslims are giving themselves a bad name by over reacting on these matters.
They are demanding too much
2006-09-19 12:16:40 · answer #6 · answered by animal_mad 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Is it because some Muslims are very poorly educated? And don't have true faith in the beliefs? Also are they jealous that Catholics have a single leader/spokesman and they have none? Or is it as simple as the fact that some just follow like sheep?
2006-09-19 10:39:02 · answer #7 · answered by Gary 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋
the funny thing is that they are protesting because he read a statement saying about violence.... and by attacking the churches they are just confirming what was said instead of trying to prove the contrary
2006-09-19 10:31:21 · answer #8 · answered by Jean Pierre 3 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Where would you find a jail big enough? By the way, usually you have to actually commit an act to be arrested, not just talk about it.
2006-09-19 10:43:09 · answer #9 · answered by pessimoptimist 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Hypocrisy.
2006-09-19 10:28:58 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
have you got a clue how many there are you bloody fool they can`t catch 1 bin laden how they gonna get about a third of the world my 7 year old would`nt even come out with that one
2006-09-19 15:50:06 · answer #11 · answered by keny 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋