Still think we can abstain from the war on terror?

Question

This is a direct quote from the AP wire service;

"CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida in Iraq warned Pope Benedict XVI on Monday that its war against Christianity and the West will go on until Islam takes over the world, and Iran's supreme leader called for more protests over the pontiff's remarks on Islam."

Al-Qaida in Iraq? I thought everyone was saying the war on Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and Al-Qaida?

The war will go on until ISLAM TAKES OVER THE WORLD! What do you want to negotiate with now? Do you really think if we just bring all our troops home it will stop? They want to destroy Western and European civilzation. What do you think we should do? I am starting to believe that all out war is the only option we have. They are going to leave us no choice.

Smack- They did a pretty good job of hurting us on 911, the Cole Bombing, the embassies, and the first WTC bombing didn't they? Guess they can get here after all

dstr- first when the first WTC bombing took place we were helping the Muslims in Bosnia
second- Bush was rich long before he took office and so was Cheney
third-Bushs uncles bank quilty of Laundering money? Hillary Clinton is on Wal-Marts board of directors. Does that mean she controls their policy?The protector of the poor If you think so you need to study big business more. Business decisions by the board are mostly staff decisions. Not the everyday running of operations. Look and see who was hired just before 911 to head security. you might get a surprise. He definately was no friend of Al-Qiada
Fourth-Worked with the Taliban not Al-Qaida, your off on that one. Osama has hated us for years
Last-I admit I will have to research your story about Indira Singh. I'm not aware or knowledegablke on that one

Answer 1

Yes Islam is on the move but it is not a conventional war.
I don't believe for a moment that the US will just leave and bring all the troops back home. The Iraqi are a hate filled people. When are the kid gloves going to come off? We are fighting like it is a conventional war.
If the US army can't enter a section of town then we should SHUT IT DOWN. blow up our vehicle how does no power or food sound for the entire area until someone spills the beans on who is responsible. Before the US intervened Shite Killed Sunni, Sunni killed Kurd ect. Saddam just didn't let the news out.

I say keep a base, we paid for it, and let them kill one another for a while with retaliatory local strikes from a well defended central position, rather than "rebuilding". You know spare the rod....
I think if we changed tactics we could draw down the troops and protect the ones still their better. All they seem to understand is violence anyway...

Answer 2

dstr- truly compelling and intellectually stimulating piece of writing.
To answer our questioner, although Saddam Hussein was arguably a de-speakable individual, he had a firm grip on the regions of his country except After Gulf War 1 the Kurds had some kind of autonomy in N~.Iraq under the protection of the allied forces. Al - Qaeda was non existent as a force in the country as Saddam did not tolerate religious fervour of any kind, hence the protracted war with Iran that saw us, the US, act as partners of Hussein.

I implore you and many others of your mindset to take seriously the set of circumstances laid out by 'dstr' above and know that this is at best an insidious administration and at worst a criminal one.

You would have to agree that those are lots of coincidences.


EDIT:- You have opened a can of worms with your question. If you don't mind I'd like to address Cruising.. to argue with smack's assertions is not to have followed closely what has been happening since 2001. The real Fascists are our government. We take humbrage when we are addressed as the great satan, Bush in contrast is insulting and attacking a whole religion when the real aggressor is percieved by Muslims to be the West against their religion. I suspect if these wars were fought because we are genuinely threatened by nations it would have been acceptable to people like me. What we are doing is attacking peoples way of life and religion because of a few homicidal maniacs. As long as we keep up that game, no-one of us can ever feel safe. The proof will come when Bush has gone and a new diplomacy takes seed.

Answer 3

I would like for you to take an honest look at an imposing view point based on the following facts.Please be intellectually honest enough to read them.

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.

That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.
These facts are undisputed ...and our current President still will not come clean.

Answer 4

If it's ok I'd like to direct my answer to Smack who posted an answer to your question earlier. I don't know Smack I'd like to believe that but how do you tell the families who have lost loved ones on 911 that terrorists aren't a threat to us? And anyone with money can sneak over our borders. Who knows how many Islamic Faciests are already here. Here's a small part of an article I read if true it's somthing to think about. 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Adnan el-Shukrijumah

The new al-Qaida field commander in Afghanistan is calling for Muslims to leave the U.S. – particularly Washington and New York – in anticipation of a major terror attack to rival Sept. 11, according to an interview by a Pakistani journalist.

Abu Dawood told Hamid Mir, a reporter who has covered al-Qaida and met with Osama bin Laden, the attack is being coordinated by Adnan el-Shukrijumah and suggests it may involve some form of weapon of mass destruction smuggled across the Mexican border.

"Our brothers are ready to attack inside America. We will breach their security again," he is quoted as saying. "There is no timeframe for our attack inside America; we can do it any time."

As WND has previously reported, el-Shukrijumah is a trained nuclear technician and accomplished pilot who has been singled out by bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri to serve as the field commander for the next terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

The terrorist was last seen in Mexico, where, on Nov. 1, 2004, he allegedly hijacked a Piper PA Pawnee cropduster from Ejido Queretaro near Mexicali to transport a nuclear weapon and nuclear equipment into the U.S., according to Paul Williams, a former FBI consultant and author of "The Dunces of Doomsday." I think you are right that they won't be able to take over the world but they sure sound like they are going to cause a lot of caos trying.

Answer 5

Your lack of sociological understanding is quite pathetic. This war will go on so long as the leaders and political groups continue to convince the Middle Easterners that Islam is under attack.

And as long as our President keeps calling them "Jihadist Islamofascist who want to install a caliphate" peace will never come with the Muslim World.

This war will end when the people of the Middle East will overthrow their corrupt governments and install civil rights.

Answer 6

No but we cant fight against it better and with out loseing so many American lives. 1. Bring our troops home. 2. Bomb the crude out of them with missles every time an American dies due to terrorism. 3. Stop thinking we can negotiate anything with them.

Answer 7

After we sent troops into Iraq, al-Qaeda entered the country to battle them. As you quoted, they are taking the war to the "enemy", which in this case is us. Now the military IS battling a branch of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Answer 8

Have you just realised this?

It has been their Number 1 agenda all this time and all of the time. Those who think that pulling back all coalition troops and go live in hibernation (the nation that sees no evil, hears no evil, does no evil) will wake up to muezzin calls every morning. Alarmist? O-K... go hibernate!!

Answer 9

Iraq had nothing to do with sending terrorists to the west. We have our solders there as targets to justify Bush's mistake.

Answer 10

***SMACK***

If china is the real threat that why aren't any of the terrorist's Chinese?

Now to the real question. Not all Arabs have radical views of world domination. It's just so happens that they just have a ton of radicals willing to die because of their ignorant Ideology.