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Can anyone explain why the Irish, Welsh and the Scots are considered to be Celtic? What is the evidence for and against?

2006-09-16 14:35:32 · 19 answers · asked by Emelia F 2 in Arts & Humanities History

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The notion of a pan-Celtic alliance is guff.
The myth of wandering peoples arriving in Britain from Europe is just that.
Romans pushing people northwards and westwards?
More like northern peoples (Picts) keeping them at bay.
Most of the current Scottish population have DNA from peoples who lived there just after the ice age.
The Goidelic languages are a link (P Celtic, Q Celtic) but indiginous cultures existed and continue to do so, despite the lie about multi-culturalism preached by Government.
We are slowly going our separate ways.
Good!

2006-09-17 06:20:18 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

Long story... The Celts used to live all over Western Europe. Gaul (France), the British Isles, and parts of the Alps were covered with Celts in Roman times, but they really took a hit when the Empire fell. Germanic peoples poured into the Celtic territories. The Franks went to Gaul and the Saxons went to Britain, in both places mixing with the natives; various others drove the Celts completely from the Alps.

The Celts retreated to the mountainous and remote areas in these regions. In France, they went to Brittany. In England, the Anglo-Saxons conquered England but couldn't penetrate Wales or Scotland (they never even attempted Ireland, to my knowledge). In summary, while present-day England and France DO both have a lot of Celtic blood in them, they have as much (or more) Germanic blood and almost all traces of the Celtic language have been wiped out there. Ireland, Wales, and Scotland, on the other hand, are of relatively unmixed Celtic descent and Celtic languages (Welsh; Irish and Scottish Gaelic) still survive there. That's why they're categorized as "Celtic countries".

2006-09-16 14:58:41 · answer #2 · answered by Baron Hausenpheffer 4 · 4 0

There are Celts in England still. We didn't all run to the hills!
If you go to Cumberland, the Old North, you will find remnants of Celts (Cumberland/Cymruland, cymru is Welsh for country) and in Derbyshire there are still many signs, such as well-dressing associated with Celtic gods. Derbyshire had the greatest proportion of "english" names in the u.k., over 80 percent as opposed to less that 30 percent of "english' names in Southall, showing the trails of migration.
However, you can be sure that although the people of Derbyshire have English names, their DNA would show plenty of Celtic blood.
The word Scottus, meant an Irishman in Latin, many Scots migrated to Scotland and ousted the Picts from power, but they did not kill them all. The idea that inward migrants kill all the people previously living in an area is incorrect.
Populations were small and people were needed, there may have been enslaving and servitude, but certainly they would have kept the women and children and probably bred with them.
The Celts were not just in the British Isles of course, they spread all over Europe and some of their greatest artifacts have been found in Europe. They were great metal workers and the Romans valued the swords they made (hence the origins of legendary "magic" swords).
Metal working had been developed to an amazingly high standard, long before the Romans invaded Britain and the Celts had a high standard of living, by the standards of the day, trading with people from all over Europe and beyond. The copper mines in North Wales produced enough copper for millions of ceremonial bronze axes. The metal was shipped up the coast of Wales and mixed with metals from Cornwall in what we would now call a factory.
The idea that the Celts were primitive is just Roman propaganda,used so many times all over Europe to exterminate and ethnically clean many many people. Some Roman ideas still permeate today. Vandals and vandalism for example would be better applied to Romans than the people they wrote about. The reason Celts and others have a bad press, is that the Romans endlessly wrote about themselves and how great they were, just like Italian footballers today!
Sadly the Celts did not beleive in writing things down, they thought words were magic and so the writings of the Romans remain, like black propagana, lying to us all down through the ages. If you want to understand the Celts, look at their works, not at the Roman spin doctors words.

2006-09-16 23:27:31 · answer #3 · answered by Beebee 2 · 2 0

The Celts were the original peoples of the Britain (The Britiania's or something like that were a Celtic tribe which gave the name to the country when the Romans invaded). The Celts were forced back into Wales, Scotland Cornwall & Ireland when the Romans Invaded. These areas still speak the Celtic languages of Galic, though it is slightly different depending on where you live. Hence a very simple explanation.

2006-09-17 03:11:31 · answer #4 · answered by Joolz of Salopia 5 · 1 1

It a bit complicated but bascially they share a common root language, Gaelic and many Scots are decended form Irish stock, however with the intermingling of Vikings and Normans a thousand years ago any notion of "celtic purity" is a bit silly. I'm not sure about the Welsh story but it's likely to be similar to the Scots.

2006-09-16 14:48:44 · answer #5 · answered by Scott L 5 · 2 0

Yeah, Irish, Scots and Welsh are all Celts. Irish Gaelic, Scottish Gaelic, Welsh and Breton (spoken in Brittany, France) are all Celtic languages. The Celts certainly got here from useful Europe yet from 1200 BC they began emigrate in all places - achieving areas as much as now as Scotland. This substitute into long till now the Roman Republic substitute into standard. there have been natives of the British Isles long till now the Celtic human beings arrived yet little is familiar approximately their subculture. you could arguably call those human beings the classic British. yet via the time the Romans conquered Britain, the natives have been predominantly Celts speaking Brythonic languages - heavily related to Celtic languages. The Gauls are additionally Celtic human beings till the Romans wiped out their subculture via erasing Gallic with Latin and Gauls at last grew to become Romans. by using fact of this France is a Latin united states of america which stepped forward with a Gallo-Roman subculture. the only section in France with a sturdy Celtic subculture is Brittany. In useful Europe, the Celts the two Romanized or have been wiped out via the Germanic peoples. The English are Germanic peoples. They invaded Britain and drove the Celtic human beings to eire, Wales and Scotland. those areas subsequently grew to become predominantly Celtic, on a similar time as England grew to become Germanic (till the Norman conquest the place they grew to become extra French).

2016-10-01 01:27:48 · answer #6 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

The Celts were a tribe of people who migrated across Europe. They came to Britain and when the Romans invaded the Romans pushed the Celts back to Wales and Scotland . The Celts were also in Ireland which the Romans didn't invade.
After the Romans left Albion ( which was the Roman name for England) England was invaded by various different peoples.
The Angles gave it it's name ,Angle land which became England.
But nobody invaded Celtic Scotland. Eventually Wales was invaded and became a Principality. The English are a mixture of Germanic Anglo- Saxons, Normans (originally Vikings), Celts and other invaders.
The Vikings did have influence and invaded Ireland and Scotland and did integrate with the people

2006-09-16 14:54:43 · answer #7 · answered by Bohemian 4 · 2 3

So are the French, the West Germans and most of the Swiss.
The only real evidence is a common culture (archaeological evidence) during the bronze and early iron age, and closely related languages today in the countries you mentioned.

2006-09-18 10:12:43 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

The Brittish isles were invaded. The celts traveled in their boats down the english channel, invaded Cornwall (who are concidered celtic), wlaes, ireland and scotland.

2006-09-16 20:30:11 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

The tribes the Romans encountered in their time in Britain were known to the Romans as Ordovices, the Demetae, the Silures and the Deceangli, speaking Brythonic, a Celtic language, these tribes are traditionally thought to have arrived in Britain from Europe over the preceding centuries.

Irish/Wales were originally from Scotland but in mid 8th century, they decided to form their own nation.

2006-09-16 14:45:43 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2 4

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