A Modest Proposal?

Question

I had an idea today while scarfing down my breakfast of ham and eggs. You remember the scene in "The Untouchables", when Sean Connery explains how to get Capone:

"He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."

What if we adopted that thinking as our official response to Islamic rioting and terrorism? They kidnap an American citizen, we round up a few dozen of their citizens. They blow up a nightclub or an airplane, we bomb one of their cities anto rubble. They cut off an American's head, we behead twenty of them.

In short, whenever Muslims resort to violence, we turn it back on them twenty-fold. And there will be no mercy, no talk about "a few extremists". The message will be clear: either you clean your house of extremists immediately or we will clean it up for you.

That way, either the "peaceful" Muslims will take care of business, or there won't be enough of them left to be a problem.

It's just a thought -- but it could solve quite a few problems....

uncleslam111: *lol* you have a good point. But for the sake of generosity, if we adopt this plan, we let bygones be bygones... and the very next time we have a problem, we drop the hammer WITHOUT MERCY.

Leogirl0804: I can see your point, but this plan does not recognize anyone who stands by and lets the "extremists" do as they please as innocent. I either want to to see harsh punishment for terrorism meted out by Muslim authorities, or they will all bear the consequences of the actions of a few.

It sucks, but there is only so much we can tyake -- UncleSlam's list is a good example.

carpediem: I did think about what I was saying. Now YOU think about THIS: What if you find out that you have Cancer... that the cancer is eating you alive and slowly and surely destroying your body, making you weaker and weaker and threatening your very existence. Do you shrug and say, "The cancer has a right to exist, too?" Do you offer the cancer coexistence in your body, even as you recognize that it is relentless as it consumes you? Or do you do everything in your power to cut that cancer out, to kill it, to destroy it, to eliminate it from your body?

I say to you that radical Islam IS A CANCER.

mudmarine: An excellent point... but the Israel never really has a chance to get started before we knuckle under to pressure and reign them in. Look at the blasting Bush got just recently when the Israelis were kicking *** and taking names -- we always make them quit. If we'd let Israel handle the situation, there wouldn't BE any problems in the Middle East.

Answer 1

we better get busy then..
we've got a lot of catching up to do...
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1981 Attempted Assassination of Pope John Paul the Second
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hezbollah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homicidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discotheque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1990 A Muslim Named El Sayyid Nosair Murders Israeli Political activist Meir Kahane. Nov 1990
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1994 A Muslim Named Rashid Baz shoots at a van filled with Hasidic boys, on the Brooklyn bridge murdering one of them. FBI calls it "Road Rage". March 1, 1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionaries Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 At Empire State Building; Ali Abu Kamal shoots at tourists, kills one and wounds six before killing himself, Mayor Giuliani informs the public "he had many enemies in his mind".Feb 24,1997
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Egypt Air flight 990's co-pilot crashes plane killing all 217 people on board, officials post no link to terrorism, even though the co-pilot is heard on black box tape exclaiming "I rely on Allah" 11 times as he crashed the plane.- Oct 1999
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked,17 U.S.Navy sailors were murdered and 39 others were injured- October
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 1000's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered

2002 Los Angeles Airport; Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet shoots and kills 2 people, FBI begrudgingly admits this as a terrorist act after evidence reveals it to be. July 4, 2002
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Beltway Snipers, John Muhammad & Lee Malvo;converts to Islam,goes on a shooting spree killing 10 people.Oct 2002
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Russian concert bombing
2003 Mohahammad Ali Alayed Slashes the Throat of friend Ariel Sellouk (a jew) Alayed had broken off his friendship with Sellouk after he became a "more devout follower of Islam".Aug 2003
2003 Philippines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
2003-04 Murders of coalition forces
2004 American contractors burned alive, dismembered, strung up on bridge
2004 Beheading of private US citizen Nick Berg
2004 Beheading of private US citizen Paul Johnson
2004 Beslan:Take over of Russian school.350+ dead,500+ injured.many are babies & small children Sep 5 2004
2004 Madrid Bombing. 200 Dead
2004 Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, brutally murdered by an angry Muslim on the streets of Amsterdam, he created the 10-minute movie Submission. The movie deals with the topic of violence against women in Islamic societies; telling the stories of four abused Muslim women.
2004 The Khobar assault; militants dressed in military-style uniforms opened
fire inside two oil industry office compounds, then moved to an upscale
residential area. They took 45 to 60 hostages.Twenty-two people were killed in the 25-hour rampage, almost all of them foreigners, including one American.
2005 London Bombing. 56 Dead
2005 Bali 25 Killed, 100 Wounded in Bali Explosions
2005 NALCHIK, Russia. Scores of Islamic militants killed at least 108 people.
2005 Iraq Insurgents Kill U.S. Hostage Ronald Schulz,40, an industrial electrician from Alaska
2006 a 22 year-old Iranian student named Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drives his SUV onto the campus of the University of North Carolina deliberately trying to kill people and succeeding in
injuring nine. After the incident, he seemed singularly pleased with himself, smiling and waving to crowds after a court appearance on Monday, at which he explained that he was “thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah.”
2006 JAMMU, India - Islamic militants raided a village in Indian-controlled &killed 22 Hindus, lining them outside their homes and shooting them execution-style
2006 2 Somalis killed Radical Islamic militia fighters for watching World Cup-07-05
2006-July 11 INDIA- bombings of Bombay's rail network that killed at least 207 people and injured more than 700 others.


IMHO1948 your excuse for all of Islam is one little p1ss porr story about the Shah??? You mean the guy that was going to bring Iran into the next century as one of the most advanced and mordern middle eastern jewels, until islamo-extremists decided they'd rather live in stone age times than modern times???

do us a favor and get some new material from aljazeera.com..this ones getting and tired.

Answer 2

You need to realize this is "real life" and not some movie. What you're proposing is exactly what breeds MORE hate and MORE killing. You are very naive if you think at some point you will kill or capture the LAST terrorist. This mindset you're proposing is completely ridiculous and it is NOT a solution. Think about what you're suggesting.

You cannot compare "cancer" to terrorism. Cancer can be cured, there have been terrorists in the world since well before the 11th century. You can't eradicate terrorists like cancer, those terrorists have friends and relatives and neighbors and they want revenge every time we kill one of them so it's an endless cycle. We need to get smart about dealing with terror, not just mindless killing, as Gandhi said "An eye for an eye and the world is blind".................

Answer 3

that's exactly what Sadam was doing - and as history will show you - that technique works a heck of a lot better, but then some countries might look at you as an evil person and kill your children and blow up your cities and over throw you, and charge you with trumped up humanitarian charges and, wait - that's what's happening now.

Answer 4

Well I think that punishing innocent people will put us on the same moronic level their radicals are on. Now if we can kills 20 of their known terrorist to one of ours, then I say let's roll, but I don't feel comfortable stooping to their level. The only exception to this rule would be like the situation they had in Lebanon, where the cowards hid amongst the innocent. That would change the whole scenario to "you better root 'em out, or we'll do it for you and no one will be spared?

Answer 5

I would want no part of a government that behaves that way.

Didn't the Nazis and the Germans in WWI conduct reprisals against innocent citizens in the lands they occupied too?
They would execute entire villages;l

How did this help?

Answer 6

Most of our problems with the Muslim world stem from our own greed. In 1953 Iran wanted to nationalize the oil industry but the Brits had a company there called the Anglo Iranian oil co. that had interests in the oil. They were offered money for their interests but turned it down. Truman did not interfere but when Eisenhower got in they were able to convince him that Iran was in danger of allying with the Russians so with the aid of British and American intelligence they brought the shah to full power. The shah eventually became a brutal dictator but the people revolted and replaced him. This also led to the invasion by students of our embassy there. My point in telling you this is that in many ways we are responsible for the hate against us.
Reagan did nothing to try to sooth relations and in fact encouraged Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran. So you can blame who you wish, but to me it seems we got ourselves into this quandary and the best course of action would be to admit past mistakes and try for better relations. I really don't buy the fact that most Muslim nations really don't want peace with us. They know they would be annihilated if they were to seriously damage this country say with a nuclear or biological attack.

Answer 7

Watch Swordfish (get the DVD, don't watch it on TNT, they edit the Halley Barry shots on TV)...that's the punch line of the movie.

Serious good idea, according to international law, reprisals are permitted, but must be measured. Assuming we are at war.

Answer 8

The Israeli's have been doing this for years and they don't learn, they think they're going straight to paradise .
To get any effect you need to start hitting where it counts , the political and religious leaders, make them responsible for their people .
Announce it at the UN , that attacks by terrorists will come back at them personally and fatally ,
Remember Mr. Kadaffi of Lybia , he changed his tune when an air strike was aimed at him .
If you want to kill snakes , find the den and dynamite it .

Answer 9

But i don't think the peaceful muslims can clean their house. But yes i do agree, behead an american, well, that means, pain and misery for them

Answer 10

Your point is well taken. Uncleslam nails it. We can only win peace through violence. So many people do not get this. I am sick of traitors who blame us for this. These are the same people who sue McDonalds because they are fat. People like this do not deserve to live in a free land.

Answer 11

That is exactly what they say they are doing.

How well has it worked?

"An eye for an eye makes a country of blind men". I forgot who said that.

You are no saint.