WHY are there so many moron apologists for Islam??

Question

Why do so many of you people equate Islam on the same level of hatred & violence with other religions???? Have any of you ever read the Qu'ran?? Ever read the real history behind the crusades?? Where do you guys get your info from??

Answer 1

Sigh...Kevin, Kevin, Kevin...

Go read before you post drivvle..please!

Just look how this thoughful question brings out the apologist morons that learned history from watching a hollywood muslim love-in like "Kingdom of Heaven"...

First of all.. the crusades were not started by Christians as an offensive conflict, but rather as a defensive conflict

1. The Crusades were not acts of unprovoked agrgression by Europe against the islamic world, but were a delayed response to CENTURIES of muslim agression which gre fiercer than ever in the 11th century .
A few examples:

* Early in the 8th century, 60 christian pilgrims from Amorium were crucified by muslim raiders.
* Around the same time, a Muslim governer of Cesarea seized another group of pilgrims from Iconium and all executed as spies, except for a small number that converted to ISLAM!
*Later Brutal subordination and violence became the rule of the day for Christians in the Holy Land.
*In 772 The caliph al mansur ordered the hands of Christians and Jews to be stamped with a distinctive symbol (nazi's would use the same tactic on their persecution of jews and all perceived enemies or undesirables).
789-Muslims behead a monk who had converted from Islam, and then they plunder the Bethlehem Monastery of St. Theodosius, killing many more monks.
by 937 Muslims had destroyed many monasteries destroyed in jerusalem, as well the famous Church of the Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection.

2. Finally, by this time, it was the Byzantines who had enough, and moved from a defensive policy to a offensive policy, recapturing, Crete, Cicilia, Cyprus, parts of Syria and even the ancient christian city of Antioch. - These were wars for the recapture of christian lands* and the defense of christians, NOT religous imperialism(* 2/3 of which had formerly been the christian world - CENTURIES before the crusades).

3. In Islamic theology, if any land ever belonged to the house of Islam, it belongs FOREVER, and muslims must wage war to regain control over it!
That is why in 974 the Sunni Caliph; Abbasid, declares Jihad..Starting yearly campaigns of holy war against the christians. Which further steamrolled into more and more bloodshed and division.

Ofcourse, not every euro crusaders motives were pure. More than once, many fell from the ideals of the christian pilgrims. But the dogma that the crusades were unprovoked, imperialist actions against the peaceful, indigenous Muslim population is simply historically innaccurate and reflects distase for western civilzation rather genuine historical research.


As far as the apologist moral equivalists putting Islam on the same level with Christianity and all other faiths as far violence and hatred mongering..
There are 3 reasons why other religions, especially Christianity, are not equivalent to Islam.

1. The Christian extremists apologists lo-o-o-ove to point out do not even attempt to justify their actions by reference to Christian Sculpture or tradition.
2. The Christian extremists apologists lo-o-o-ove to point out are not acting on mainstream Christian Teachings.
3. There are not large Christian groups around the world dedicated to implementing the same teachings as you see here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769_pf.html

and yes I have read the Qu'ran...
IV.138: Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the right way.

IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

IV.92: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave , and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a covenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively: a penance from Allah, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

XVI.8: It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you (again return to disobedience) We too will return (to punishment), and We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers.

II.161: Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;

IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.

IV.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of God.

IV.74: Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward.
5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

No friends with non believers4.144: O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?

No friends with non believers
3.28: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
Fight non-believers
9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

Kill non-believers
4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Killing Idolaters
9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers
8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Smite the neck of unbelievers
47.4: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

Answer 2

You heard of the Crusaides, right. They were armies going from Europe to the Middle East and trying to convert the islamic population to Christianity. The Armies used their Swords for the lessons. It seems the Middel Easterners kind of resisted the lesson and fought back with their Swords.
Oh well, so much for brothers and sisters getting along. George W. Bush actually used the word crusaid to describe his Army he sent to Iraq. He did not make that mistake again, but he still has not learned that there are many ways to look at the world and the events that humans get into than the general way that the people in Texas see the world.

Answer 3

Your questions seem to be of several conflicting lines of thought.

Most religions preach peace. There are some radical sects of them that believe the best means to achieve their goals are through violence. Why are there more radical Islamic incidents than other religions today? Probably because the conditions they live in make it easy to whip them up into a frenzy, try that with someone content with their situation and they will see no need to jeopardize that.

Christians certainly did there share of the violence during the dark ages/middle ages/crusades if you are implying to the contrary. Heck most of it was even sanctioned by the church.

Answer 4

Allahuakbar

Answer 5

I don't quite understand your question. An apologist is a person who argues for a cause. I get that part, but I don't understand what follows.

Answer 6

read the bible & can criticize but i aint got the balls to offend muslims.

Answer 7

hey dodah - they are use it to kill the world. get with reality.

tell those a&&holes they are wrong, not us. Jerk off