Do you see that prop 86 in california is unfair?

Question

Apparently you haven't done your homework...it allows hospitals freedoms from anit trust laws, and many other freedoms that help out hospitals as corperations...not as places of healing.
it is funded by hospitals to help buisness, not healing.

Prop 86 includes an 88% ‘Floor Tax’ which will require tobacco retailers to pay tax on already purchased inventory almost immediately. This will force hundreds of small, locally owned and operated stores to close for good, taking jobs away from our local communities.
* The excessively high tax rate of 135% will force tobacco users to find other ways to purchase products like out of state sources and the black market.
* With most stores closed and purchases made out of state or through the black market, California will actually collect LESS tax than it does right now.
* Black market purchasing will provide an excellent money making opportunity for organized crime, gangs and terrorist organizations.
* When the tax revenue expected from this proposition dries up, the special interest groups supporting Prop 86 will have to look for other ways to bleed money from California residents. What will they go after next? Prop 86 would set an awfully scary precedence for exc

Btw i don't smoke

If you don't smoke, fine but look at what it does it helps the health care system take more money away from you in other ways. Teddy rosevelt busted the trusts...why are we helping hospitals become one

Answer 1

After looking up what prop 86 actually does, no, I don't see it as unfair to discourage people from engaging in a behavior that is harmful for themselves and those around them, and in the process raise funds for healthcare and education.

Answer 2

Summary of Arguments FOR Proposition 86:
Proposition 86 reduces smoking and saves lives. A study by the California Department of Health Services says Proposition 86 will keep 700,000 kids from becoming adult smokers and prevent 300,000 smoking-related deaths. The same study says Proposition 86 will save over $16 BILLION in health care costs. Yes on 86.

Summary of Arguments AGAINST Proposition 86:
Proposition 86 is really about hospitals using our Constitution and laws to pocket millions for themselves and HMOs through a $2.1 billion tax hike. Section 9 even gives hospitals an exemption to antitrust laws! It’s another lottery mess—and no guarantees on how the money will be spent. No on 86.

Answer 3

OK, the added tax on cigarettes.

Well, they could legally declare cigarettes a controlled substance, make them illegal (like marijuana or LSD) and ban the outright. Nobody is forcing anyone to smoke, after all.

Or they could tax cigarettes, and use the money to pay for health programs. Of the two options, which would you prefer?

And your 'floor tax' argument is completely irrational. If cigarettes were outlawed entirely, stores would be required to destroy or return their stock. With the tax, stores can still return their stock, or pay the tax and then recover the money paid when the product sells. It wouldn't force any store to close.

{EDIT} OK. I re-read the entire proposal.

It's not blanket exemption from anti-trust laws. The proposition permits hospitals to jointly share the costs of ensuring the availability of on-call emergency physicians who provide services. Because such coordination could have anti-trust implications, the measure says that hospitals cannot be sued for anti-trust violations related to making sure there are enough emergency room doctors on-call. It's a very limited exception.

Answer 4

PROP (insert just about any number) CALIFORNIA and FAIR all in the same sentence - now that's an oxymoron to be proud of!

Answer 5

OK yes 2

Answer 6

Smokers could think of it as prepaid health care!
Maybe it will save lives.

Answer 7

nope, your state is overcrowded and it's necessary. If you don't like it, move. You have a choice. Plus, we should all be more conservative. You guys in CA set the trend for the rest of the country.