In consistance with my continuing inspection of AA doctrine, I am convinced that these cultists use the "willpower" issue to indoctrinate desperate drug addicts (alcohol is a drug) into their midst. Interestingly, AAers believe that the use of willpower can only lead them to another drink of alcohol, relapse, and a life of addiction. To further their recruit strategy of the unsuspecting "newcomer", they tell him that he is in "denial" if they disagree with this concept.
Unfortunately, there is no shortage of AAers in this US society and the world. Afterall, we need people of this mentality to keep the Bush's in office and the 30 million of them vote Republican! But wait, perhaps human willpower can be used for the good and stop the warring or is that not possible without a "higher power".
Oh Jesus, save me! Save me from the predator AAers!
Baaaaaarrrrrffffff
2006-09-02 14:48:20 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Cultures & Groups ➔ Other - Cultures & Groups
When we use our own will to defeat our drug addiction it puts AA and NA into the light that it belongs, an irrelevant dated organization. They seek to substitute addiction to meetings for a former addiction to drugs or alcohol. They tell the unfortunate newcomer they will fail without the 'group'. They are merely attempting to self perpetuate themselves and to justify the existence of AA/NA. They seek 'job security'. An industry is based on drug and alcohol 'treatment' and at this point AA/NA is the main player.
A holistic approach is necessary to get off drugs and stay off them. Sitting around running your mouth, chain smoking and drinking coffee does nothing toward building a new life for yourself. I was a former court ordered participant in NA and it was complete BS. I have been drug free for 10 years no thanks to NA. I did it myself by merely finding something else to do to keep busy.
Oops...you set me off! Take care. Beware of and avoid AA/NA. Vultures preying on vulnerable people, that is what they are.
2006-09-02 17:11:34 · answer #1 · answered by a_delphic_oracle 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
When you actual have an argument let me know. I am a 20 year sober member of AA and you are so far off track your not even in same arena. Will power is reference to the addicted person trying ot heal them self without help of anykind. That is where "willpower" was applied and failed. If it had not failed they would not be in an AA meeting now would they? Denial as you put it is for those afflicted who still refuse to see they have a problem even when everyone around them does! If you study the 12 tradions of AA you would know they are coonected to party group etc so your Bush refrence is pointless. I have found an equal amount of both Rep. and Democrats and where do you get your figure that 30 million AA's voted Republican? Your blowing hot air! Higher power is whatever the AAer wants and is very effective. Perhaps your the one in denail and your only recourse to defend your drinking is to attack AA the only proven method for alcoholics to find recovery! Keep drinking you can our bad example we all talk about!
2006-09-02 14:58:33 · answer #2 · answered by ? 5 · 3⤊ 2⤋
I also have a distaste for AA as well. Its like a losers convention.
What do AA and George Bush have in common? Nothing.
If anything AA would be more Democrat oriented. Dems are big into unions and Socialism. Group think and don't be an individual. I was drinking too much and just stopped, by using willpower. I don't need some group of losers who can't make it on their own. Plus isn't it also run like a Protestant Christian group also. Yuck!
AA makes me want to have a drink!
2006-09-02 19:31:57 · answer #3 · answered by TG Special 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Meh. You're over thinking this one.
This is the origin of the whole 12-step movement, and all of its Implicit Evangelical Churchiness.
Just use Occam's Razor and Just Say No to the Zealots. It really is that simple, if you run into someone who insists that they've "found God" and that you *must* too, put them on Permanent Ignore and go on with your life. They're too far gone, the whole lot of them...too into being *herd animals* and not people. Never mind that if "The Lord Their Gawd" wanted them to be sheep....well, they would have been born sheep and not human. Oh no....details. Logic. Too much for these humanites to handle....
Really. I dunno who is worse anymore, the Evangelical/Dominionist zealots or the Wahabbi Arabist ones. They both would rather see the world dead and humanity extinct than tolerate the presence of *anyone* who dares disagree with their almighty delusions of grandeur....
I'm telling you....the whole mess just isn't worth the trouble.
It will only get you angry and in a mood to slaughter the sheeple, and well, that puts you on the wrong side of things morally *only* because you really do have to Be Kind To Dumb Animals. ;)
Just my three cents.
2006-09-02 15:00:40 · answer #4 · answered by Bradley P 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I went to an AA meeting as a sociology assignment in college. They spent 20 min trying to convince me to share my "disease" history with them, and another hour 10 min condemning my choice not to and "preaching" at me. I don't see how the system works period. More than half the people there are only there because they were court ordered to and a few showed up three sheets to the wind. The ones that were serious about it were few and far between and deserve alot of credit and I think it's really kind of silly that they can't give themselves a pat on the back for that kind of will power. I know for a fact, because he was from my home town (very small home town), that one guy was not there for his addictions, but becuase he is socially ackward and likes having people to talk to that have more problems than he does. I can't really be too mad at him for that, because I was there for a homework assignment.
2006-09-02 15:01:01 · answer #5 · answered by t79a 5 · 2⤊ 2⤋
im a member of aa... and there is no "condemnation", there are only suggestions...
they say that willpower alone is not enough for most alcoholics/addicts to stay sober, and from the people i have seen that is largely true...
what they mean by "willpower" is thinking that you can do it yourself, with no outside help (AA or otherwise)...
if you could "will" yourself out of a disease, now wouldnt that be amazing.. lol
and never have i seen AA "recruit" members... its actually against one of the traditions that we follow... nobody is forced/jumped into aa, it doesnt work that way..
2006-09-02 14:52:45 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
YOU - you are a poster child for personal willpower out of control. You have no real information about AA, incorrect facts - but are obviously running scared from them -----hmmm, wonder why?
2006-09-02 15:01:10 · answer #7 · answered by step 3 · 3⤊ 2⤋
You are so far off base, it's not even funny. You have no idea what you are talking about. I can see by some of the answers that much of the general public is easily influenced by propaganda.
2006-09-02 15:14:25 · answer #8 · answered by bikerbun 2 · 3⤊ 2⤋
a lot of what i heard in AA meetings seemed to contradict. no matter. i'm not interested in that program, but i know what i need to do and i do it. over 6 billion people on this planet. who cares if millions die?
2006-09-02 14:53:41 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
Ignorance is bliss.
2006-09-02 14:57:43 · answer #10 · answered by 345Grasshopper 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋