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I'm not talking about the creation or genisis or the bible but actual historical facts.

When "Historically" was the first Christian around?

Is any one willing to tell me about the real history of christianity rather than what the bible states.

2006-09-01 04:33:10 · 21 answers · asked by David T 3 in Arts & Humanities History

All of these answers seem to be quoting the Bible.
I am after historical fact!!!!!!!

When was the first evidence relating found that is independant of the bible??????

2006-09-01 07:54:13 · update #1

21 answers

most of the gospels were (IIRC) not written until about 70 AD at the earliest. there are no contemporay accounts of Jesus, apart from Josephus (most scholars believe the couple of sentances in josephus's writing were added many years after the fact, the language used in the accounts of josephus is totally different to the rest of the language construction used by him)
The traditional Church has portrayed the authors as the apostles Mark, Luke, Matthew, & John, but scholars know from critical textural research that there simply occurs no evidence that the gospel authors could have served as the apostles described in the Gospel stories. Yet even today, we hear priests and ministers describing these authors as the actual disciples of Christ. Many Bibles still continue to label the stories as "The Gospel according to St. Matthew," "St. Mark," "St. Luke," St. John." No apostle would have announced his own sainthood before the Church's establishment of sainthood. But one need not refer to scholars to determine the lack of evidence for authorship. As an experiment, imagine the Gospels without their titles. See if you can find out from the texts who wrote them; try to find their names.
The texts which we call the gospels are obviously plagiarised fromeach other and were not written by the people who names they are given.
Even if the texts supported the notion that the apostles wrote them, consider that the average life span of humans in the first century came to around 30, and very few people lived to 70. If the apostles births occured at about the same time as the alleged Jesus, and wrote their gospels in their old age, that would put Mark at least 70 years old, and John at over 110.

So, I would say that christianity started sometime after 70 AD

it is amusing to see people state that jesus was born 2006 years ago :-)
If there was such a person, and If you believe the gospel accounts are correct (or even roughly correct) it means that jesus was born in the reign of herod the great (who died in 4 BC) and also when the roman census was taken (around 6 AD)

2006-09-01 04:48:18 · answer #1 · answered by Vinni and beer 7 · 2 0

The "Creation" referred to in the Bible is in the Book of Genesis, which is the Old Testament. Everything in the Old Testament predates Christianity.

There is not an exact date for the beginning of Christianity. Some people would consider that Christianity begins with the birth of Jesus, which based on a corrected Roman calendar is thought by most scholars to be around 4 B.C. You could also consider that Christianity began when Jesus began teaching his individual beliefs, at the age of 33. At that time, however, his disciples and others considered that Jesus was only preaching a reformed (or heretical) version of Judaism, not actually founding a new religion. Jesus himself never referred to "Christianity" or stated that he was no longer a Jew, but after Jesus' death, his teachings spread rapidly through the Near East to both Jewish and non-Jewish people as an entirely new religious and philosophical belief system. By the end of the 1st century "Christianity" was seen as a separate, well-established religion and its followers were called Christians. However, it continued to be an illegal, underground movement in the Roman Empire (which included the Holy Land at that time) until the Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity in the 4th century, and gave it the status of an officially accepted legal religion.

2006-09-01 04:55:07 · answer #2 · answered by KW 3 · 0 1

The Crucifixion of Jesus and the ultimate beginning of Christianity did begin much as the Bible says. These are actual Historical facts verifiable outside of the Bible. There really was a Holy Roman Empire, a guy Named Paul that was brought to Rome, A guy named Peter that was Crucified upside down. (Incidentally this historical fact is not to be found in the Bible) Writings from followers of Jesus date back to the 1st century AD shortly after the death of Jesus.

2006-09-01 15:59:49 · answer #3 · answered by Pete D 2 · 0 1

I quote Wikipedia:

Christianity is a monotheistic religion centered on Jesus of Nazareth, and on his life and teachings as presented in the New Testament. Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah and God incarnate and thus refer to him as Jesus Christ. With an estimated 2.1 billion adherents in 2001, Christianity is the world's largest religion. It is the predominant religion in the Americas, Europe, Oceania, and large parts of Africa. It is also growing rapidly in Asia, particularly in China and South Korea, northern Africa and the Middle East.

Christianity began in the 1st century as a late Second Temple Jewish sect, and shares many religious texts with Judaism, specifically the Hebrew Bible, and other works, which Christians call the Old Testament (see Judeo-Christian). Like Judaism and Islam, Christianity is considered an Abrahamic religion because of the centrality of Abraham in their shared traditions.

According to the New Testament (Acts 11:26), "the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch." (Greek Χριστιανός and variant Χρηστιανός, Strong's G5546). The earliest recorded use of the term Christianity (Greek Χριστιανισμός) is by Ignatius of Antioch, such as in his Letter to the Magnesians 10 (68–107).

2006-09-01 05:45:45 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Based upon current research the origins of the bible were traced back to Babylon. But that is the start of the Jewish religion. The start of Catholicism and then Christianity were much later. There is a book out called the Origins of Satan which will give you quite a bit of the information you are looking for

2006-09-01 12:04:30 · answer #5 · answered by The Druid 4 · 1 0

Christianity started with the coming of Jesus. However, more concretely, with the dispersal of Peter to Rome and the apostles to witness in various countries. Paul, who came years later expounded on those apostles earlier successes when he adminstered to them. He layed down the earlier rules of how a Christian should act and such.

Also, contemporary with him were other Christian sects not directly affliated with Paul and his teachings. Example would be the Gnostics.

You can find what you want on Internet. Type in keywords.

2006-09-01 04:44:16 · answer #6 · answered by Sick Puppy 7 · 1 1

Somewhere around Day One of the current calendar as you know it.

The calender was setup several centuries later, but was back dated to Christ's birth. No. it is not exact.

Christs Apostles would have been the first Christians.

2006-09-01 04:44:12 · answer #7 · answered by James A 4 · 1 1

Just have a look in some decent books on history and ignore anything to do with religion. That's man-made.

2006-09-01 05:13:37 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

It may be marked by the birth of Christ, since Christians believe that is the day that the messiah came to earth. Or you could mark it from the time that Christ began his teachings, and converting people to his way of thinking. Either way, it's about 2,000 years ago.

2006-09-01 04:41:18 · answer #9 · answered by Da da da 4 · 1 1

I suppose the "first Christian" would be Jesus Christ (who, let us recall, was also Jewish.)
But some credit St. Paul with breaking Christianity free from the boundaries of Judaism and extending it to the world in general (i.e. the Gentiles.)

2006-09-01 04:45:50 · answer #10 · answered by johnslat 7 · 2 1

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