Want to know why I have a problem with gays and lesbians?

Question

First of all, let me say I am not a conservative and I do not believe that being gay is a choice some people make.
I believe it is genetic. And I don't care if gays want to have a civil union or something to that effect.
MY problem is with gay people going around and saying that being gay is NORMAL. Being gay is no more normal than someone who is born blind, or as in my case, has heart valve disease. It's no more "normal" than having cancer or diabetes. And I truly believe that one day we will find out what genetically goes wrong to cause homosexuality, and we will find a way to stop it from happening in the first place.
The other problem I have is with these Gay Pride parades.
Look, like I said, I have heart valve disease that was genetic. I am neither proud nor ashamed of it.....it is just something I have to deal with.

Gee, guess I touched a nerve.
First of all, I don't want to "wipe out" anyone.
Secondly, maybe I should define "normal" for you folks that don't understand the concept. If 90% of people were born gay and the other 10% were born straight, being straight would be abnormal.
Like it or not, good or bad, homosexuality IS a mutation of the human species.
For anyone who actually read what I wrote before going ballistic, I made no judgement against gays on moral grounds. And I didnt say gays have a disease. I simply stated that it is my belief that it is not "normal" as defined above. You may disagree with me, and if it makes you feel better, you can call me names. But it does not change my belief in my theory....which is all it is. I can no more prove it than you can disprove it.

Answer 1

You can not say that people are born gay and then wonder why we say it isnt normal. You cant be a hypocrite like that. It is not a deformity like a bum leg. Do you understand how stupid your question is?

Answer 2

I'm sorry that you have heart valve disease, I am, but that doesn't make up for the fact that you aren't gay, and therefore have no right to judge. WE know what WE go through, just as you know what you go through. Also, I made the choice of being gay. Me. I was not born gay, nor was I born straight. It's assumed we all are straight. It cannot be genetic as no one in my family is gay.

We may find a cure for heart valve disease, but since homosexuality isn't an illness, there's no cure for it. You have to deal with heart valve disease, and I appreciate that, it can't be easy, that said, it's not a picnic being gay. the number of attacks we get daily is absurd, and where you can take medicine to ease the pain of your disease, we can't take a pill that blocks out the harsh and unfair comments of people like you. Having a disease does not give you the right to attack others. It may get you a sympathy pass, but not a pass to offend people, complete strangers at that, as you please.

I hope you find the courage to open your mind further. We're not the enemy here, so i ask that you not attack us with your personal fury.

Answer 3

What can I say.

Thank you for the part of you that tacitly supports us.

Sadly, I believe that you are right, oh, not that it is something wrong -- homosexuality probably, among humans, includes thousands of genes across 4 chromosomal bands -- rather that yep, once it is figured out -- we will be wiped out. It will be the greatest and most massive genocide in history.

If you've read many of my posts you know that while I can be brief to help someone, I often post fairly long, carefully supported answers.

What can I say here? There is no research, no courteous words. You think we are a disease, like heart trouble -- and that we should die. I know that there are many like you. You support our having rights because it would be wrong to be prejudiced against someone based on a disease, not because you think of us as equal. It's better than nothing for the moment I suppose.

I can only hope that before they finally find the exact combinations, we will have advanced beyond that. I can only hope that like the old eugenics theories regarding Africans, and Arabians and, yes, Asiatics -- the new eugenics (gay is a disease, wipe it out) will pass. Unfortunately, I'm very much afraid that the research is going too fast.

I forgive you for intending to destroy us, with all the best intentions. I also hope that I don't live to see this travesty that I know is coming. Given the family history, there is a good chance that I wil l have passed. At the same time, I hope you do live to see it, and its aftermath. Almost certainly, given the complexity of human genetics, homosexuality is deeply intertwined with other things, other behaviors most likely from what we can observe and probably partially intertwined with some physical characteristics as well. So, no more sweet gentle gay boys; no more little ones who hurt no one; no more listening ears and helping hands. No more like me, who grow up and spend our lives nurturing and caring for others -- all others. No, just comfortable sameness, selfishness and aggression.

That's what passes for normal these days apparently.

Sad regards,

Reynolds C. Jones
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Answer 4

Maybe you are right. But, as you said, you have a heart valve disease. You are neither proud or ashamed of it.
1. You have compared homosexuality with life threatening diseases. Homosexuality is a way of life though, it is sexuality. Can you define normal? What is normal nowdays? Is watching tv normal? Was it in our DNA to watch tv? Is inhaling smoke normal? How can you talk about humans as if we were animals that just follow their instincts and nature?
2. If people hated people with heart valve diseases, and were afraid of you for that, fingerpointing at you, calling you a freak, calling you a "fa.g hearted" etc. Then trust me, you and all the others with heart valve diseases would be more than proud and you would go around saying it is normal.
Gay Pride parades and showing off, was just an answer to homophobics like you. If gay people were treated equally from the beginning no one would try to show off and say we are here.
But as I said your arguement is invalid, since homosexuality doesnt affect your health like heterosexuality doesnt.

Answer 5

I am not going to argue whether being gay is a 'condition' or a disability with you, it's obviously no use. But even if it was, why should gay people sit around feeling ashamed? There is a pride movement for the disabled as well. It's just the way humanity works, especially in western society - we want to be empowered by our obstacles as a way to make our individual lives more meaningful. It's just part of learning to survive with what we've got. What is an anomaly is not necessarily 'abnormal'.

If you don't like it, just ignore it. It's interesting that so many 'straight conservatives' are so fascinated and preoccupied by the gay movement.. So easily thrown off balance *chuckle*

Answer 6

Contrary to your beliefs, it IS normal. It isn't a birth defect because the lives of those affected do not require any form of medical/physical accompaniment to provide for a "better quality of life" nor is there any need to "cure" homosexuality any more so than there is a need to cure left-handed people(which BTW was seen years ago as being "not normal" as well, I remember seeing a teacher try to make a kid use his right hand instead of his left, sad thing)
As far as the "Pride Parades", you wouldn't understand simply because first you still see it as a birth defect and second there hasn't been incidents of refusing those with genetic abnormalities the Right to Marry, subjecting them to Illegal raids and arrest, gangs of people hunting them down to bash them for sport, and so on.
When you have someone tell you God has Cursed You and you are going to hell for your Genetic Heart Valve issue, then we can talk. Until then, you are simply VERY misinformed.

Answer 7

I don't recall ever being taught in school that people with heart valve disease were oppressed and even killed just because they had heart valve problems.

I do, however, recall many times being taught about how gay people were oppressed and killed just because they weren't straight.

See the difference? It's called "oppression"......kinda like what you want, since you think gays should be "stopped".

If you don't like gay pride parades, don't attend them and don't watch them on TV. I'm gay and I don't attend them or watch them on TV. I simply don't have to. Neither do you.
But, unfortunately, I do have to walk down the street every day and see straight couples sticking their tongues down each other's throats. Every day! That's a 24/7 straight pride parade!

You have all the capacity in the world to form your own "abnormal heart valve" pride parade. I would attend, too.

Answer 8

The problem is that you consider homosexuality as a disease or something bad. There is conceptual evidence which counters your opinion.

A disease impedes or hampers the normal activity and the functions carried out by the body. These functions are three: nutrition, interaction with the environment and reproduction.

A person, only for the fact of being homosexual, has no problem with the function of nutrition: they can be fed correctly like everyone else who isn't homosexual.
A person, only for the fact of being homosexual, has no problem with the function of reproduction: the sperma of a gay man can fertilize the egg of a lesbian woman the same way as in a "straight" couple. Another thing is if they want to have that relationship.
At last, a person, only for the fact of being homosexual, has nothing altered in the function of interaction: they react exactly with the same patterns as heterosexual people: they don't like bad smells, they like some particular food, they dodge something that comes against them... All of that, only for being homosexual, isn't altered at all.

Where is the disease then?

Answer 9

You did make a judgment- you wanted a cure for homosexuality so that it could be wiped out.
Are animals who prefer their own sex for companionship sick also. It might be a fluke of nature, BUT I AM DAMN TIRED OF STRAIGHT PEOPLE TELLING US IT IS A PROBLEM. I am happy being gay and would never want to try to live a straight life again. That was sick!! You have a heart problem, that is a weakness in your body --- totally different ballpark.

The reason we have gay pride parades is the same reason Irish people march, Italians march, Poles march Mexicans march on Cinco de Mayo. We are a group of people who want to be with our own one day of the year and celebrate being alive.

Answer 10

so....are you saying we need to stop gay pride parades? And with your logic that means we need to stop raising money for research to go into a cure for cancer, diabetes, and premature birth as well, right? Pride parades are a celebration of the overcoming of oppression. Thats why there's Black History Month. White people have never been oppressed. Straight people have never been oppressed. And whoever you chose to love is NOT COMPRABLE to a disease...there is nothing wrong with anyone who's a homosexual. And if being gay isn't normal...who are you to say that being straight is?

Answer 11

So instead of celebrating your life, you just deal with it. How sad is that.

I'm legally blind. I'm a lesbian. I am a sister. I am a daughter. I am an aunt. I am a massage therapist. I am....a lot of things. Mostly, I am happy to be me.....and happy with every part of me...even the legally blind part. Why? because it all makes me who I am. So I choose to celebrate all of me, in different ways. I celebrate my vision by helping those who are "worse" off than me. I celebrate my sexuality and who I love through pride festivals and social events. I celebrate my nieces and nephews by being part of their lives as much as I can...etc. etc. I choose to live my life, and not let it live me. Sounds like you've got it the other way around.

And how do you know what the definition of "normal" is, anyway? Maybe I do fall into that category. Maybe I don't. It's not up to you to make that determination for me.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. It practically oozes from this "question".