Does anyone who has actually read the communist manifesto have a problem with communism?

Question

I mean, having actaully read it. Can you truly find something that you disagree with here: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm

Note: I am not talking about the soviet union, I am talking about real communism. Do you have something against the working class?

Answer 1

people who can't see past the limitations of human "nature" believe that it won't work...

I think that humans could live in it... if they believed in it... and actually understood it...

call me an optimist...

I think that democracy requires an educated populous to work and socialism requires and even higher level of education and morality... perhaps we are not there yet... maybe we could be...

people cry about the USSR, China and N. Korea... when they are clearly nothing more than totalitarian regimes under the guise of communism... they are no more communist than they are capitalist... they may have a few "communist ideas" in motion as a show...

truer communism is more like sweeden... which has a socialist democracy... it's working out pretty well for them... fairly low unemployment... very low poverty rate...

Answer 2

Yes. I've read Marx and I have a problem with it. It isn't sound economic theory based on empirical evidence. It's just a philosophy, almost a religion, based upon the *BELIEF* that if society gets to the stage where we've eliminated "x" abuse or "y" practice, then we'll all have enough of everything and we'll all get along. It takes faith to believe in their reading of history (i.e. they read "class struggle" into historical events that may or may not be related to this) let alone their solution.

Even though it doesn't directly bear upon the validity of the idea, the personality of many of its proponents is also interesting. It's a stupid and immature attitude that might as well be found in an angst-filled 16 year old. So angry at real and imagined problems but unable to offer a decent solution. Capitalism (especially unrestrained capitalism) is prone to abuse, but that doesn't make communism worth much either. I personally think distributism is the way to go.

Answer 3

I have read the communist manifesto, and there are some good ideas laid out that in theory would create a great society. It certainly looks excellent on paper.

However, I still have issues with communism. Why? Well since you said we couldn't talk about the USSR, I'll talk about China: Have you ever heard of the Cultural Revolution? The Millions who died? The people sent to labor camps for not agreeing with Mao? The cult of personality that caused children to riot in the streets and destroy shops and their owners' homes? The people humiliated, beaten and sent to prison for not conforming to to communist ideal? Even today, years after Mao, thousands of baby girls are aborted, abandoned or killed because of the government's restriction of number of children allowed per family. When the government gets that involved in people's lives, only bad things happen.

You said you wanted to talk about "real" communism, but you seem to really want to talk about communist theory. "real" communism is communism as it's acted out in the real world, and that is the USSR and Stalin's purges and Gulags, it's the Cultural Revolution in China, it's the lowering of the life expectancy by 20 years since Kim Jong Il has been in power in N Korea. I have nothing against the working class, do you have something against freedom?

Answer 4

Looking at the link you've provided, I would not. Knowing better, I have a lot against Communism. It is an enslaver of the people. And we do not live in a democracy. We live in a Republic. The War Department in 1928 (pre-FDR) printed a citizens handbook warning of the dangers of democracy (TM 2000-25), calling it a mobocracy. FDR had all these handbooks destroyed so he could implement his "New Deal". Democracy is just as horrendous a government scheme as communism. We have been betrayed by our own government.

Answer 5

Yes, the fact that once you implement it human nature (along with laziness, greed, envy, etc) kick in and though it looks GREAT on paper it can NEVER work in reality. Plus once you try and level the playing field all you do is kill innovation and other forces that encourage greatness. This system ensures less than mediocrity, it promotes abject failure. The USSR tried it and failed. Cuba tried it and had to be propped up for years. Everywhere else that tried it, same story, except those who wised up and started becoming more capitalistic.

Being against communism is NOT being against the working class. That's another commie pinko lie.

Answer 6

The only thing that communists have against the working class is bayonets.
How many millions and millions of working class people must die from the hands of communists before you little twats and air heads get the picture?
You've had a couple of courses of college, haven't you.

Answer 7

Here's my problem with it: Humans do everthing they do because of

1) Fear
2) lust/greed

When people are acting out of these 2 things, communism does not work. Even if you only have a few bad apples, they spoil the whole barrel. It would be nice if we lived in a perfect world, but...

Answer 8

Great question, this is the problem with the working classes. they are told to better themselves they have to aspire to be middle class, the problem of the middle classes however is that to maintain the mortgage repayments and the car bills and the children's dance classes, they have to work twice as hard and are constantly in fear of being knocked off their perches. The fact is they are still the working class. The real benefactors are the ones for whom they work and the banks to whom they are indebted. We always remain working class, but please don't tell them that, they are middle class.

Answer 9

I have nothing against Communist ideology. Been European here most of Europe have small communist parties.

Answer 10

Great question... you are exactly right, not Sovietized or the classic "Red" definition..( Marx,Stalin Mao etc.. ) but pure Communism is very humanistic but has never been practiced "purely". Yet another example of word play and manipulation..
Communism is not the enemy of Democracy.. but it is the enemy of Capitalism, and Capitalism is a cousin of corporatism which Mussolini aptly said should be called.. "Fascism"