If a pro-choice person feels a fetus has no rights then do they care if the abortion hurts the fetus.?

Question

This is a real question. If the doctor told you that your abortion would be painless and safest with a new method, but the new method would be very painful to the fetus. Would you use that method? Would you care if it hurt? The reason I ask is that if you cared that it hurt how could you not want it to have rights? I care if my pets hurt and I am glad that they have rights, I'm sure you feel the same about your new forming child. I truly just want to know what you think and i am not stating some holy war, that is why I posted this in Philosophy.

I feel the need to reply to the answer left by Scarlet Rose.
You start by saying that you wouldn't care about the fetus in ANY case. You then go on to explain why you say this. You give me a scientific fact. My question is in Philosophy. It says "If". This is a hypothetical question only.
I feel bad for anyone who dies IN ANY CASE. If I knew from God or fate or Karma or whatever makes the world go round (Other then Curved Space, Gravity, Centripetal Force, ect...) that she would have died AND the baby would have died I would have wanted then to abort the baby and make sure she lived. I know that a belief in fate would negate the ability to change it even if you knew the future, as proven by Cassandra. This is Philosophy though so it is the perfect place for a philosophical thought.

Just one comment on your woman of 18 is developing idea. I am not doubting that a woman is developing at 18 years old but I do wonder; If a woman is such a danger to have pregnant then how do you explain the human race, seeing as humans for thousands of years have been breeding at 12-16 years old, often with families of more then five children.
I am pro Life and I am not called ignorant on a regular basis, I am educated, I don't believe the question was asked with a contradiction it in.
I'm pro life and I have never supported a war.
I'm pro life and I Guess I should change that to Pro-Human Life. This should cover killing of insects, animals, Abortion workers or murders...I am PRO-HUMAN LIFE.
I'm pro life and I and My wife are going to foster and adopt some children after our natural children are grown.
I'm pro life and I would never tell anyone they should have been aborted.
I am a very nice person.
Why did you make so many generalized statements about Pro-Human Lifers?

"MY body, MY life, MY reproductive system, MY fetuses and embryos, MY business, MY choice."
I always have to ask this, My body my life then why do some pro-choice people say I can't do heroine if I want to. My body, yet they support drug laws. Some pro-choice people don't think I should kill myself and think I should be arrested and held against my will, but it's my body, my choice.
I am amazed that you would speak for all people in saying that you know that one type of emotional pain is worse for them then another. Even more to say that you can decide for everyone who has ever been raped that the ones who were sexually active before felt less pain.
Now back to things pro-human lifers kill, things which are not human... Also I never said that a fetus is alive because it had a pulse.
I am not Christian and I do not have faith in the bible.
I think this argument "You're wrong! There is NO proof of "God" therefore the "facts" you provide are FICTION!" was used against Galileo too.

I didn't know I was harassing anyone by asking a hypnotically question on a Philosophy section of a question site.
You point out that you don't care about anyone else. I find that interesting.
No child is unwanted, some are ungiveable. Most children in foster homes are there because of being removed from bad homes. It is sometimes many years before the rights of the parents are removed by the court so the child may be adopted.
Again my wife and I plan on fostering and adopting children after our 5 children are grown (The oldest is only 7)
Your argument for sex being for pleasure is false. Sure it feels good but it does to encourage reproduction. If you think anything different like, "Sex is here for us to enjoy" then who are you saying gave it to us to enjoy?
If a person is not ready for children then why don't they use birth control? My wife and I are done having children then she got her tubes tied and I am getting a vasectomy when my insurance will pay for it.

You stated that you don't care about others but you would stop a murder in the street?
Again you are giving me scientific facts to explain a philosophical question.
Also to some people life means to have a soul and some of us think a child at conception has a soul. Again I am not Christian but I am spiritual and do believe that we have souls some part that is special and makes us who we are.
I also don't think you can call a "what if", like my question or the asker of that question, wrong or right either.
Saying men can't oppose abortion is impossible. It is impossible to not have an opinion and make judgments about topics. We all do it.
I would never criticize anyone who had an abortion.
So a man would have to not only turn reproductively into a woman he would also have to get pregnant before she could have an opinion on abortion. Does that mean that women who have never conceived aren't allowed to have opinions on abortion either?
Your answer makes no sense to me sorry.

Answer 1

This a good question, because the evidence shows that the unborn babies may be capable of feeling pain as early as 7 weeks and almost certainly can feel pain by 11 weeks. Virtually no abortions are committed before 7 weeks due to the risk of "incomplete abortion." For information on pain perception in the unborn, see:

http://www.advocatesfortheinnocent.com/fetalpain.html

For more information on all aspects of abortion, see http://Abort73.com

Answer 2

people see abortion as un-natural, which is why they oppose it; however, using birth control is also a form of abortion; and those who oppose abortion still use birth control. if you are going to ask that question, then, what about the little sperms and eggs that get wasted away beause a couple used a condom? what about the piece of chicken that sits on your plate at dinner time? what about the the flies that you kill everyday?

the list just goes on and on. when people talk about rights, they use it in a relative term only to mean "creatures like them." do you think that in this society minorities have the same rights as caucasians? because if you do, well, i would just bite my lip. why do you think there are so many programs that gives minorities priority? it's not because this country is pro-minority; it's because without those programs, we would all get screwed. think about that for a while.

back to the question. in every form of death there will be some amount of pain. it is impossible to avoid pain during death. i am pro-abortion, and it has nothing to do with the rights of the fetus...

the fact of the matter is that although we've come a long ways, women are still being objectified, marginalized and oppressed. taking away abortion is taking away the rights of women. a man can get a woman pregnant and decides that he doesn't want in on the child. but the woman has that duty for at least nine months. is that fair? yes, and i know, people will say to go after the pig for child support. but money doesn't solve a problem, and the money definitely will not replace an absent father, still leaving the mother with the duties of caring for the child; putting her life on hold so that she could give the child all her attention, while the man is out doing is own thing and not worrying at all about what the woman is going through...

the right to abortion ought to be out there, people use it as they see fit...

Answer 3

This topic has been and always will be controversial. I think that inserting the question or hypothetical query into the Philosophy category doesn't erase the socio-political ramifications.
Forgive me if I offend you, yet, I don't see a question here. I do see a political manifesto, a political soliloquy if you will. My critique is completely objective, I assure you.
What I find absolutely amazing is the acute double-standards of people who passionately debate controversial topics, yet, lack any proven track record that they abide by these beliefs from sunrise to sunset.
I see and hear alot of people discuss abortion and pro-choice. Some of these same people will quickly and fearlessly destroy the environment and risk the future of man himself. How can an anti-abortionist go to war and kill people? Literally thousands of examples exist which create discrepancies in beliefs for many who unwittingly crowd political platforms. Even when you smoke, you create an environment which jeopardizes the health and welfare of others. Drive a car? The burning of fossil fuels is killing the Earth. Once the health of our Earth is gone, maybe then, we'll remember that it was once alive and filled with vitality. Maybe then, we'll realize that all of our squabbles were nothing in comparison.

Answer 4

This is called third trimester abortion, and yes it is very painful to the fetus. I believe that ANY abortion method is painful to the fetus and a doctor just isn't going to tell you that.

However, if you believe in GOD and that abortion is wrong for many reasons, you will realize that GOD may be using that experience of abortion to turn that person towards HIM and to live a life of forgiveness and love.

GOD would certainly forgive someone who had an abortion and asked to be forgiven. Even though I am pro-life, I am going to pray for these people who have abortions and not be fanatical about it by protesting violently outside an abortion clinic or murdering a doctor that performed an abortion.

Many doctors have gotten out of this practice as many people have prayed for them. They realized what they were doing is wrong, ethically, if not religiously.

But I am not going to interfere with GOD's will for a woman who walks into an abortion clinic. Somewhere along her life she is going to need GOD.

Answer 5

You don't have to think a fetus has no rights to be in favour of abortion, or more precisely just because you don't think you have to carry the pregnancy to term doesn't mean you should feel free to cause suffering.

You'd take a cat or a dog to the vets to be "put down" (ie deliberately killed) wouldn't you. But you wouldn't torture the pet. Ethical considerations in farming don't mean the pig doesn't get killed - just that you don't inflict suffering.

The real ethical dilema in your scenario would be the capability of the fetus to suffer, whether actually inflicted or not. Various justifications for allowing a termination exist, one of them being that the feotus is just a collection of cells, not a fully fledged individual. The ability to suffer would argue against that.

Some believe life begins at conception, some believe life begins at birth. Others believe life begins whent he kids leave home and the dog dies.

Answer 6

I know that the person who ask this question and Rose are both people who talk just so they can hear their heads rattle.

I am pro life. When it comes to the right to life there is a saying "your rights end where others begin." So when you kill the child in the womb YOU are interfering in the life of another.

Rose treats sex as just a game for two and not an action to be responsible with. If she cared (which we know she doesn't; because she brags about her lack of caring)then she wouldn't conceive irresponsibly just for the fun of sex and then murder the results of her ACTIONS.

She doesn't care about the childless couple who would like to have a child so she kills hers. Not all pro lifers want a child and they KNOW what to do so as NOT to conceive one. She(ROSE) does too but doesn't care(she brags about NOT caring.)

Not all pro lifers can afford to take care of a child or afford to adopt one(the agency price the adoption out of their price range.
A child is being sold like meat in a market. Now some would take in a child or baby left at their doorstep(like Art Linkletter.)

The one who posed this question says he cares about children but not enough to care about their souls. The Bible says that nature itself tells you there is a God. Care enough not to condemn your child's soul too hell. CARE

Answer 7

I think every pregnant woman would care if the fetus was in pain. I tend to think of the situation like an unwanted pet. Animal shelters regularly euthanize abandoned cats and dogs, and have every right to do so, but no one wants to cause undue suffering.

Answer 8

Pro choice doesn't mean that the fetus has nerves or arms and legs yet. You like to stereotype everything. It just means that one wishes not to bring anymore dummies into the world.

Answer 9

That's why people are limited as to when they can have an abortion. Also, another good reason why the morning after pill should be sold otc.

Answer 10

There is proven studies showing that fetus's cannot feel pain, why should something that can't live without being attached to a bigger being have any rights?