ok what do you think the exit strategies from iraq/afghanistan are?

Answer 1

Hmm...given the rather messed-up circumstances that have us *in* those nations in the first place...I mean, what *does* Iraq really and *truly* have to do with *terrorism and 9-11*? And why *did* we let Bin Laden live by handing the job of his capture off to the local Warlords? Hmmm....

I'd say our best option is the *one* option we aren't going to be allowed to exectue. What do I mean by this?

It's simple. Some people, they are just so acculturated to violence and ruin that they *don't WANT* to be civilized on anything remotely resembling our terms. There are just too many Muslim men who would rather *die* than see their women get *any* human rights, as in AT ALL. There are just too many people who think murdering Jews in Israel by way of having their *kids* be suicide bombers is Just The Peachiest Way To Get To Heaven....

Some folks are just too far gone to help. Sorry. It sounds mean, but we've been sending our money to these folks for half a century now, and dealing with the consequences of terror and *social disorder* as a way of life now for half a century. As in Fifty years. And the truth is, we as a nation *do NOT* tolerate *one-tenth* the amount of violence and barbarity from our own people, that we do from the Arabist, Wahabbi world. We don't. We've been ruthlessly cutting off more and more money and social services to our poorest of the poor for decades now, just in the name of "welfare reform", or a "war on drugs" or "ending gun crime."

And that latter gets my goat....if you are poor and living in a *city* in America, the Second Amendment doesn't *exist* for you, even though it is a Redneck State Religion out in the boonies...O_O

But the point is this: We now have situations in parts of Texas, ok, where folks are provoking fights and attacking their Katrina survivors, people *they themselves* invited into the state, just so the damn locals can complain about "all the crime" the New Orleans people are bringing...

Really. Look at the reports. Is there ANY huge upswing in violent crime at all *anywhere* else BUT Texas, in the states that took in Katrina survivors? No. Folks are being *provoked* by pissy redneck *bigots* is all it is....

And why? Because we treat our poor, and our criminals, *like utter roadkill* for being one-tenth as violent and *one PERCENT* the problem that your average Wahabbi Muslim is for us in other parts of the world.

In a rational world, we'd say Enough is Enough. In a rational world, after half a century of throwing money *away* on our abusers, and doing *backflips* in foreign policy to appease them, we'd tell them to Rot In Hell and be done with it.

In a rational world...we'd leave the region in Peace. The kind of Peace the *Romans* inflicted on Carthage back in the day, the peace of *death* and eradication.

Our best Exit Strategy, in terms of protecting our OWN national security long term, is Scorched Earth. Leave, and leave everything DEAD and RUINED. And don't come back, and don't spend *one more red cent* on the region for another century at least....

If folks want to be murderous barbarians, so be it. Let them. But not on our dime. If Boeing hadn't planted the seed by teaching Saudis how to build, maintain and upgrade their own 747 fleet (back in the late 1970s, early 1980s), a large chunk of 9-11 would *not* have been possible. Period. We should have NEVER allowed these people closer to any technology higher than a *camel and a damned plow*. Really. If they hate our civilization so much, let them dig their wells *by hand* and let them build their buildings *with hand tools* and let them *do without*.

**sighs** But that isn't an option is it? Big Oil would just have a damn stupid conniption. Not to mention the Appeasers in Europe *we've been bankrupting ourselves defending all this time*.

I dunno what to tell you. Our own greed and unwillingness to control our companies has painted us into a corner and there is no good way out. Oh well. Thanks for your time, patience and two points.

Answer 2

Did you ever think we may not have or want an "exit strategy" and that part of the real strategy here is for things to seemingly not be going that well so we can keep a large force in the Middle East? With the current situations there I am not sure that it isn't a bad strategy, actually. With countries such as Iran on the cusp of having nukes I feel a bit better that there is a force of our guys in the neighboring country breathing down their necks.

Answer 3

I used to think that the planners and strategists at the Pentagon had contingency plans for almost any conceivable scenario. I guess that was naive. I now honestly think that there are no exit strategies, and the military are to some extent hamstrung by the politicians, who are reacting from day to day without any clear perception of where we are going.

Answer 4

According to Scott Adams - political genius (hey if you can make sense of the corporate world - you can run the government)

Scott Adam's Crazy-*** Backward Plan or Another Run at the Nobel Peace Prize

"When I’m not drawing comics, I spend a lot of time figuring out how to bring peace to the Middle East and end terrorism. Today I’ll describe my best (craziest) idea so far

1. The United States publicly acknowledges the obvious – that Iran is a highly capable adversary and they’ve been yanking our nuts for decades. They’re doing it now with Iraq, and with Hezbollah, and by stalling the U.N. while they develop nukes. We apologize for supporting the Shah those many years ago and show Iran some respect for their opinions even though we respectfully disagree. Essentially, we give them their due.

2. We say to Iran, in effect, “You have game” and we want you on our side. We offer to reopen our embassies and establish full economic and diplomatic ties. No strings attached (at least publicly).

3. We offer military security to Iran. We go beyond simply saying we won’t attack Iran. We say we’ll help them militarily if anyone else does. We’re your new pal.

4. We withdraw our economic support of Israel. As many on this blog have noted, Israel mostly uses our foreign aid money to buy U.S. goods, so it would have some impact on U.S. companies. Israel would probably make up some of the difference with direct contributions from supporters overseas. And since Israel plans to reduce its reliance on U.S. aid anyway, this is more symbolic than important in the long run.

5. We invite Iran to help in Iraq as we withdraw our forces, knowing in advance that it would result in an Iran-dominated Iraq.

6. The U.S. starts abstaining from U.N. votes that involve Israel. This is also more symbolic than real, since Israel would ignore any U.N. vote that didn’t suit them.

7. Now here’s the crazy-*** backwards part: We don’t ask (publicly) for anything in return. We don’t ask for inspections of their nuclear facilities, we don’t ask them to stop interfering in Iraq, we don’t ask them to stop arming Hezbollah, and we don’t ask them to stop talking about destroying Israel. Behind the scenes, we make it clear that we expect those things in time. Remember: It’s a pride issue."

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Answer 5

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Answer 6

I notice you have asked this question twice.
Did you not get the answer you wanted on the 1st question.
They will leave when it is OK to leave and the people of those countries feel safe from terror and can run their own lives in a democratic way!

Answer 7

withdraw British troops from Iraq and Afghanistan immediately!!

Answer 8

The exit strategy is 'Play it by ear'. If we can get get out without losing face, we will. If not we fight. Its simple.

Answer 9

A well proven one. Namely Hide and seek.

When everyone in iraq is hiding instead of the solders go seek, they go home.

Everyone a winner.....

Answer 10

Pass it on to the next administration! I don't think it's even being thought about. Too bad we've got to keep loosing troops because of it.