Okay Libs, what is so offensive about limiting welfare benefits?

Question

Gov Thompson re-vamped the welfare system in WI and it's working beautifully. He didn't deny help to those who need it, but welfare should be a temporary situation-WI no longer provides unlimited cash benefits - after a certain period of time W-2 recipients are required to work. AND the State assists you in finding a job. I work in Human Services and a large percentage of those have found full time, good paying jobs and are soooo grateful. Of the minority who are not happy with the present system, well they're still trying to 'work' the system. I've seen my share of those who just REFUSE to work. And there are a greater majority of those who are grateful for the 'help' they received to get back on their feet.

And yes, there are those in the system who can not work, but we are not talking about them........just able bodied people who CAN work--any reason NOT to limit their benefits?

HEY ENLIGHTENMENT--enlighten yourself! First I do work in human services--but I am not a social worker. Even if I were--how in the heck do you conclude I would be in violation of anything? Perhaps you didn't read the creed...."Social workers seek to enhance the capacity of people to address **their own*** needs. You really need to change your screen name to "blind one".

IDEOGENIC (?) You have to WORK before you collect unemployment--dip! Those 2005 figures are just a reflection of Gov Doyle's (D) programs--he took office after Thompson became GW's Sec of Health and Human Services--promoted due to his excellence in WI. Those newly unemployed are welcome to apply for temp W2 assistance...........

hey, is *it* really bliss?

Anyone intersted in reading articles re W-2 here are some links:

http://www.heritage.org/research/welfare/HL593.cfm

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/welfare/july-dec97/workfare_9-2.html


Also IDEO-obviously you haven't made the connection between the differences in the parties, under our D governor unemployment is just above the national ave--during the R term--ALL TIME LOW OF 3.1%
http://www.dwd.state.wi.us/dwd/newsreleases/1998/2d62_536.htm

You're getting obnoxious

Answer 1

i think the wel fare system should help. as long as people are willing to help them selves. at least half way. theres to many people out there with kids who need food stamps or the medical for there kids. i as an american do not mind helping a fellow american. im proud of my country, what it has to offer. other countrys are not so fortunate

Answer 2

Hi five to WI.. I do not believe that our fore fathers and all of those who have fought for their live, ever thought that this country would be nothing but a hand out for all who are to lazy to take care of themselves. So the libs have done nothing but take the hard earned dollar form those who are productive in life, and give for the good of our country. And their claims of the ones that get rich are the riches, BULL. The same opportunity is given to every single human being in the USA. It is all in what you do with it.
And no I am not rich, but I survive on what I have I do not live above my means. So for all of those who refuse to support themselves, please do us all a favor and move to WI, so that there is more for our vet and our elderly and disable (truly disabled). They are the ones that need the money the libs give to all the dependent on government types. O ya GOD bless America and all who live here. And if you don't like our language or the word GOD go where you think its any better, good luck to you.

Answer 3

You're confusing liberals with Democrats.

Liberals (in general) support any model that works and provides some reasonable benefits to those who are trying. Liberals want freedom, and are willing to forgo govt support to achieve that. And I'd be willing to bet that most liberals would support the WI model.

Democrats want unlimited welfare, which is why many liberals have left the Democratic party. And from what I understand they find it offensive because they believe the role of the government is to take care of the people, whether the people deserve it or not.

Answer 4

Most people don't like welfare, but ask them if poor mothers should have some support and they'll say "yes." Whether they think of welfare recipients as lazy and immoral or simply as poor women trying to raise their children and stay afloat depends to some degree on the images political leaders evoke. People are very susceptible to education and argument on this issue. So Gov. Thompson's other option would have been to do some real educating-explaining the plight of poor women, the inadequacy of wages and child care, and so on. But not only did Thompson fail to explain the need for welfare, he actually used the issue to stir up resentment in order to get himself elected. Instead of trying to change the stereotypes and misconceptions, he exploited them to get into office.

You just were blind to this side of the story, wither willingly or you were duped. I invite you to talk to just one single welfare recipient and compare the story they tell you to the misguided image that you believe in. But I am 99% sure you won't because it is much easier to pretend that cutting welfare somehow benefits you and it seems that you are mostly concerned with yourself.

The solutions you cite will only worsen the flaws of the modern welfare system in WI. People will be even poorer and will face even more humiliating restrictions and hardship in thier lives. If you are truely in "human services" I should inform you that you are acting in violation of the NASW Code of Ethics completely... maybe you need to change fields? Stock trader maybe?

Answer 5

I'm fine with this. And I'm a liberal. In fact, it was Bill Clinton who signed similar federal legislation (though he really isn't particularly liberal).

I'd just like to see a higher minimum wage for such folks, as well as some sort of assistance for child care, as that can eat up more than half the earnings of a single-mother with even one child.

Please avoid the straw-man fallacy - it undermines your points.

Answer 6

Hmmm....Wisconsin unemployment is higher than the national average. Initial and weekly claims are up from 2005.
I'll keep diggin into those numbers.

It seems they went from welfare to unemployment?

Conservatives have this silly notion that jobs and opportunity grow on trees. They think that going out and looking for jobs magically creates them. Don't forget to tell the WI folks where the magical job trees are so they can pluck one for themselves!

Answer 7

Taking away welfare is taking away a liberals paycheck. I agree with you. Im surprised the Peoples Republic of Madison didnt riot when that bill was passed.

Taking away welfare is taking away votes for the Democrats and thats all they care about anyway.

Answer 8

The one thing I think would be so offensive to the liberal democrats in limiting welfare benefits would have too be that more then half of the liberal democrates would lose their social benifits like welfare....given too them by their wealthy liberal brothers in congress...... the normal liberal if their is such a thing as normal would whine and complain because they wouldnt be given every thing for free....and would realize that if they wanted somethign they might just have to get off there lazy *** too get it .....my God you know how that could traumatize a liberal if they knew they had to get off there lazy *** and work for a living!.....

The liberal democrat in congress....would be outraged...for the fact that 90% of their voting base would be gone or at least very pissed off with them if they were too limit or cut any social program.....The liberal democrat uses their social programs as a carrot...to get their voting masses too agree too do what they want!

I agree with you 100% there are some social programs that yes are needed but their should be limits too them on how long you can be on them ect.... too many people specialy democrats get on there and expect too be on there for life ....from cradle too grave......that is one thing the liberal democratic vote expects the liberal stooges in congress to do for them....take care of their every whim and need paid for by the actual people who get up every day and bust their *** working .

Answer 9

This is not a Liberal cause.. sorry it is only depicted as one to help keep you distracted. While you are worried about social spending the defense budget has ballooned to 2 trillion a year plus all the "secret" funding that we can't talk about shhhh... Islam is listening. But don't worry all those single moms sportin around in New Cadillacs will have to stop selling crack long enough to go work for minimum wage, for global corporations that manufacture in Indo China but sell here and then take their bank rolls and turn them into Euros... but don't worry you very clearly have a handle on the situation..

Answer 10

I agree, some people do need some help to get back on their feet, but the government shouldn't be giving handouts. If people become depenant of welfare money, they will never get anywhere in life.