For someone living in England who is disillusioned with the mainstream parties...?

Question

If you agree with some of the BNP policies, but don't want to be involved in a racist orginisation, what do you do?

Is there an alternative?

.. Well I agree with some of their policies on imigration.

I would have voted for Conservatives if they actually had any policies or a leader (not that mamby pamby tw@t they've got now)

Answer 1

BNP is a racist organisation. Don't have anything to do with them. If you join BNP, there will be no way that you can prevent people from seeing you as a racist.

Answer 2

That is the problem, the policies of the BNP are racist because the organisation is racist. If your issues are with immigration I personally would step away from the headline media stories and look at the other side of the story. If you look at Immigration from Eastern Europe for instance their are very many positive results coming from the influx of foriegners. Most of the problems have resulted from lack of short term planning and hopefully the governement will learn from this.

The problem with the BNP is that they are not intrested in keeping the balance, they are only intrested in changing the system completley which when nothing seems to be being done, can seem attractive. However, such extreme change will create as many problems as it solves and I assure you the future will not be bright.

Answer 3

To an extent I see where you're coming from but, I would probably agree with some of the things a nutter or a mentally deranged person might say but I certainly wouldn't vote for them. The BNP are a racist organisation and as such can only be harmful to the society we now live in. If you want to be active politically join any party, I assure you, you can change it from within.

Answer 4

Don't go near the BNP. They're primarily a racist party, all the other stuff is just "fluff" to suck people in.

As for alternatives its all a case of finding a party you broadly agree with. Their websites should give a summary of their views. You won't find a perfect match in any unless you write you're political philosophy and get a party created to promote it!

I find that most people adhere to a party through a subconscious fellow feeling, they are "about" what the party is "about", whether or not they agree with all the specific policies. The conservatives are about the past - people who like the status quo are drawn to it. People with a feeling for "social justice" are drawn to the labour party. I myself am a member of the Liberals and have thought that the reason is that:

1. They think
2. Deep, deep down the Conservatives and Labour are totalitarians, deep, deep down the Liberals are anarchists.

I like that presumption of freedom v organisation, and I think a lot.

The next lot up is UKIP. The UK Independence Party are, "about" and independant UK. (As someone who is such a European patriot he insisted on the European National Anthem at his wedding I'm not about to join them soon).

The BNP is "about " race. I'd vote UKIP before them!

"Respect" is "about" publicising George Galloway.

"The Greens" are "about" the environment.

I find that the trouble with the non-mainstream parties is that they are too narrowly defined, they don't give a view that covers all (or almost all) of what is needed to be done in Governement and the Legislature. What would an environmentalist do about gay marriage? That's not such an easy answer and so in joining the Greens your taking a risk on issues that are not part of the narrowly defined "about". Its a bit different with the mainstream parties - I bet you could guess what a yoghurt culturing, sandal wearing, arran sweatered liberal like me would think. And I bet you could guess what a blazered ex-colonel conservative's view would be!

Now, the ultimate alternative is my Mum's. She knows she will be in big trouble with me if she fails to vote, but she can't face actually electing anyone. So she votes for the person most likely to come third in her constituency!

Answer 5

It depends on what policies you happen to agree with. And you've failed to tell us.

BNP is strange - they actually understand peak oil and climate change, unlike the new tories, the original tories, and the lib-dems.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/sustainable_nationalist_economy.htm

"Green consumerism looks attractive, but it crumbles when faced with the realities of ecological and resource depletion. Given that present levels of resource consumption and environmental damage simply cannot be sustained for very much longer, there is no escaping the fact that a sustainable lifestyle must involve much less affluent lifestyles than we are accustomed to here in Britain . A sustainable lifestyle must have much higher-levels of local self-sufficiency, small-scale systems, decentralised production and governance and an economy that does not grow with time. Many people are likely to find this idea unattractive, precisely because it threatens economic growth and economic progress. It is important to realise that we have no choice but to make a transition to a simpler economy. Global warming is not an abstract concept. If average global temperatures rise by just 2 ° C, sea levels will raise swamping London , Holland and many coastlines around the world. Croplands across the globe will lose their productivity and hundreds of millions of people will starve. These are not fuzzy or abstract concepts, they will happen and they will affect all of us."

Wow, spot on. I guess they can say it because they have no hope of ever winning an election. Unpalatable truths are never vote winners.

But no, I'd never vote for them. Vote Green instead.

Answer 6

United Kingdom Independence Party

Answer 7

Well I'm glad to see most people here are urging you not to vote the BNP! I'm personally interested to hear what policies exactly you think they are offering? I have read their excuses for manifestos in the past and they basically present a hotch potch of facts cribbed from elsewhere - see the stuff on the environment quoted among the answers here as an example - scattered with their running commentary.

Their performances where they have elected representation have left a lot to be desired: poor attendance records, even worse speaking records, absenteeism at meetings to agree budgets, suspension of councillors for misconduct away from the council chamber, and basically lack of substance.

Their policies are geared to chime with target audiences, they slam pensions to appeal to pensioners, they slam the allocation of social housing and hint at 'foreigners jumping the queue' to appeal to those who are socially excluded, and the basically prey on the poor, the weak, the elderly and the ignorant. The latter of these is not necessarily a criticism, some people choose to be ignorant, others just know no better.

I don't believe that any card-carrying member of any party agrees with one hundred per cent of what their party stands for but by engaging you can find your common ground and seek to influence the agenda to find compromise. Why not contact local party representatives about the issues you struggle over and hold them to account? It is, after all, your democratic right. Their responses might surprise you. If you tell them you feel you can identify with the BNP over them on certain issues and set out your position they might try to encourage you to consider a different view; of course it all depends on how well organised your local elected representatives are!

But don't vote BNP, you might as well screw up your ballot paper than vote for them because that's about as much as they'll do for you if they get voted in plus their agenda IS all a front for a far more radical agenda of voluntary repatriation followed by compulsory repatriation. They want all 'foreigners' out of the UK...I just wonder what they'll do when we prove that they're descendants of European invaders themselves! They are racist, focusing on Muslims at the moment, but no-one should kid themselves that if they ever get their way (and it will be over mine and a lot of other people's dead bodies first!) they won't stop there, it will then be every other ethnic minority group, every other religious group (they also like to be vocal anti-semitics) and then of course any white folk who have over-socialised with them, oh and the trade unionists and the socialists. And in case you still have any doubts, I'll leave you with this thought, they're websites are hosted via a server owned by a far right group in the States, they regularly invite representatives of other far right groups to the UK, meet with KKK and others.

Answer 8

The BNP's policies are racist, I'm afraid, because they're deliberately designed to present only one side of the problems facing the UK, namely the lies that:-

(1) The present Home Office / EU foreign immigration policies and the multicultural society are /entirely/ to blame for Britain's current woes;

(2) Foreign elements are infiltrating white British society in order to exploit it for the sex trade and / or terror, as part of some phantasmal concerted effort to bring about the destruction of White Britain, plc.

Truth to tell, the real problems are being caused as much by indigenous white Brits as by immigrants and settlers. There's money to be made by selling off the family silver, and the Tories (mostly white) have sold off an awful lot of that family silver, with Tiny Blur's crowd following suit by selling off the scraps that remain, including the NHS.

Voting for the BNP is voting for the same idiots who gave us Thatcherism in the first place, and putting them in charge is like leaving Ian Huntley in charge of a kindergarten.

If you're looking for an ounce of respectability in your politics, then look to UKIP - they're well known for being "BNP Lite", but at least they're only laughed at, not shot at. Otherwise, you'll have to pinch your nose, swallow your pride and sell your soul and join the Tories.

There are no easy answers to this. /Nobody/ in politics, whether Labour, Tory, Lib Dem or anyone else, is worth even voting for. You'll just have to go with your instinct; but just remember, a vote for the BNP is a vote for blackshirt fascism and goosestepping jackboots marching in lockstep down the high street.

Answer 9

I would Never Never vote BMP they are racist Bullies they try to recruit people like you who are disillusioned for what ever reason.
They have been trying to recruit amongst farmers that have had a difficult time and in any area where there a vulnerable people.

I would like to see a mixture of mainstream and Green Party policies

Answer 10

It doesn't matter which party gets voted-in as "Whitehall" and the backroom people are ultimately in control of what actually gets done. The elected party is only a "Face to Blame" when it all hits the fan, or a "Face to Congratulate" if things go well.

If you are asking this question then you are under the power of the great lie.