Women will never be equal?

Question

will they? No matter how hard they try they will always say, should I be a career woman, or a mom. Should I try to do both? Am I satisfied with my career or do I need children?

Do not the questions answer themselves.

Have you ever heard the phrase career man?

Do men sit around questioning themselves about whether they should get a job and have a successful career or whether they should devote themselves to their children.

Women testify by all of their angst and their own protests to the contrary that their inclinations of family, work, life generally, toward having children, etc. etc. etc. come from within, not from society like feminists say.

Does anyone understand that I am not knocking women, but suggesting that women have the impulses the have by virtue of inborn desires, not because of some social pressure like feminists say. I also am not saying women are inequal in some value sense, but only that their functionality occurs within the context of the man's domain.

Well very good Silver Tongue. You deftly avoided any kind of meaningful dialogue or responsive engagement of my premise in favor of vapid ad hominem attacks. I think you may want to check back with the assayer. In all probability that Tongue is nothing more than aluminum.

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First of all, I never said that women were lower. My use of the term equal has more to do with the dynamics of the feminist agenda.

Second of all, you claim that I had no positive female role models in my life is both fallacious and petty. My mother was about as devoted a woman as I have known, and while not a wonderful talented career woman, she has such an exceptional talent for the preparation of mexican and cajun food that I am sure the culinary world has sorely lacked her professional presence.

Secondly, she has excellent graphic artistic talents, and is a very capable seamstress, whose services many of the women she has known throughout her life have applied to for baby showers, mending of their own and their families clothes, etc. etc. etc.

My parents have been married for almost thirty years . . .

and I have been alive for most of that time, but have never had occasion to question my mom's qualifications as a female role model.

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I knew you would answer this question and it would tap into hyper intellectual leftist tendencies, not to say that you don't actually seem like an impressively intelligent individual.

Anyway, to continue . . .

My premise here has nothing to do with saying women are inferior.

I would say however that women have separate functional definition within the confines of their inescapable physical/emotional persons.

Hormonally, psychologically, etc. etc. etc. I would say that a woman is not so well equipped for so many things that feminism claims them to be.

On the other hand, I would also say that without women men have no functionality at all.

I subscribe to a naturalistic biblical perspective, and am only challenging the defensive aggressive postures . . .

of the modern feminist. It would take hours to go into the entire concept, but let me try to just say this.

My mother's first husband was a physically abusive alcoholic, and my father, before he converted to Christianity was a verbally abusive alcoholic.

My mother could have struck out on her own and rejected societies pressure to fit into its arbitrary constructs, blah, blah, blah, or she could have pressed ahead as a woman, who in the end found herself in a relationship with a man who was very hardworking, desparately repentant, conscientiously devoted to his children, etc. etc. etc.

This is the ideal. Your remark about the dead beat man has everything to do with feminism.

Throughout history the experience of women has not been unlike my mother's experience. In response to this feminists have decided that the thing to do is strike out for "equality" as a response to the arrogant abusive self satisfied behavior of men throughout the ages etc. etc. etc.

I make fun of feminism for this reason.

The ideal is the image of a woman surrounded by children to whom she devotes herself in irrepressible love, but without all of the cares of also trying to manage a career and all of these professional anxieties. There is no denying that women love children and love to care for children.

The man, if he is responsible should be providing an environment in which this is possible. He shouldn't be going fishing and playing video games and watching stupid movies and generally sitting on his ***. He should be providing for this sphere of life for which he is responsible.

As we see however, man rises no higher than a male lion in his masculine ambitions.

Feminists have setup this equality goal and challenged girls to be independent have careers blah blah blah, but they haven't challenged them to make good decisions in their relationships, protect their bodies as a sanctuary of life, etc. etc. etc.

What you end up with is a lot of hapless over educated girls who are pursuing jobs money ambition degrees, etc. etc. etc. and then also they are trying to find their man and all of this kind of sh*t.

If I were a woman, I wouldn't go out with a single man that I have ever met in my entire life. They all fall short of the beautiful idea. Now obviously not everyone can be as perfect as me, but what is possible is this.

Instead of teaching a young girl to have safe sex and be careful, how about feminists teach women to despise men who are so enslaved to their ***** that they would want to enjoy intimacy with a woman at any level less than the highest ideal of intimacy.

To love a woman is not to stick your penis in her, but to give your life over to her.

A woman should be extremely demanding of men, not of themselves. Feminists need to teach women how in this age of choices to reject the dogs that masquerade as men and to strive for that high ideal of womanhood that . . .

we see so beautifully expounded in metaphor in a lioness and her cub, a robin and her chicks, hen and her egg, etc. etc. etc.

One more thing though, Which is more beautiful in our consideration, the image of the lion who eats before the cub, the male snake that eats its own young, etc. etc. or the breeding osprey that both guard their young with their life and labor together not to establish their own identity, but to bring forth perfection and prosperity in incipient life.

That was a little scattered as a kind of stream of consciousness presentation, but I think you get the general idea.

Answer 1

Equal? Who would want to be equal when we are already superior? What does having children have to do with women being lower than men in your opinion? You are correct in that we do have more important choices to make in life. But I think someone who can keep up with rambunctious kids and cook and clean and maybe even have a successful career is far superior to the man who comes home after a day at "work" and sits on his *** all night. I think this question comes from not having any positive female role models in your life. If you were to see a woman go through her balancing act every day and remain sane you wouldn't even have asked this question.

Answer 2

If you think this issue from that perspective, then the answer is simple: Both sexes are equal when men start giving birth. That would not be in the foreseeable future. So I guess we agree in this part.

However, the unfair inequality which lies in our society is not about real physiological differences (those nobody can deny). The point every mentally healthy feminist is trying to bring up is something else: why a woman gets paid less for doing the same work with same education and experience as a man? This is a hard fact, and there's no way to justify it. The reasons rise from the society's (consisting of men AND women) values and attitudes, and these could be changed. That is the inequality which we should be trying to get rid of, not the physiological differences.

Answer 3

I have been in both camps, a mom who had a full-time job 2 kids on my own and I burnt out big time. if I had my time again I would of not worked as I am now as my kids have benefited from a less stressed parent and i have seen the affects of my ' being here' as a blessing.....it took a serious illness to bring me to stop beating myself up to attain the unattainable.
Who was I doing it for? and why?
Equal is such a fluid word as it is only a word that means a result of the question before it i.e 1+1=2 but 1+2=3 so it is unbalanced in its result anyway...and open to a prior possible inequality to get a result..so how can that be related to people?
You can't be equal as we start out with different mindsets, genes, goals, aspirations, it works when those things match with someone else in a personal relationship.
As far as a more global equality? There is none, never has been and I doubt ever will be.
Equality is the wrong word to use in my opinion, I have no word to replace it yet but I will post it if it comes to mind in a question later.......care to everyone who reads this.....

Answer 4

Women will never be equal, nor man. There truly is no such thing as "being equal" because we all have our differences and excel at somethings while others fall short. My personal goals for my family is to put my children first and my needs (a career among other things) secondary. Right now I am a stay at home mom but I can assure you if I had family to assist me I would be both, a career woman and a mom. When a woman, just like a man, has people who support them in their endeavors they are capable of doing anything. As for "career man", I have never heard the term used but it could work. I have heard of men stressing themselves out over juggling their schedules so they have more time at home to be with their family as well as couples arranging it so the husband is the primary care giver while the wife works.
I do believe it is instinct to want to care for our children, but I also believe it is not ingrained into one or the other of the sexes but into individuals.

Additional thought, because the stereotype is the woman is the caregiver while the man is the provider men are more likely to be assigned overtime at work, not be permitted to have maternity leave, less sick time, etc. so they are bound to miss more of their children growing than women. If anything, in the area of family I'm sorry to say that I think men are falling short because of this stereotype.

Answer 5

One question is what are natural predisposition ow man/woman, and completely another is what man/woman wants.

One task is to give the equal opportunities to man and women and not prevent anyone from realizing his/her needs and potentials.

Another task (much more complex) is to work on the deconstruction of actual power structures. Not natural predispositions but the actual power structures are something that forces women to resolve a very hard dilemma: to work or to raise children. The fact that so many women succeed in raising their children, building their careers and do very risky and responsible jobs at the same time, proves that the problem is not in natural predispositions. Most men will never find out how hard, exhausting and discouraging this dilemma is, simply because they ARE NOT EXPECTED to have the same one.

Changing the power structure and dominant economic relations and making better social policy could make it much easier for women. It might imply the need that men should share the same responsibilities in raising kids and taking care about house, but guys, does it hurt so much?

And when we are talking about working women, why do we always think about career building, suggesting some selfishness in it? What about women who must work to live and raise their kids. What about women who are doing highly professional and responsible jobs. There are pilots and surgeons among them...

Answer 6

You give new meaning to the term male chauvenist pig. Your attitudes are archaic. Fortunately, we passed being your equal about the time the neolithic age ended.

Why are you so threatened by women? What on earth or in heaven makes you think you are even half as good as any woman?

It is our society that has caused the feminist movement, a place where women have to be twice as good to earn a quarter the pay, is a society crying out for change.

Grow up.

Answer 7

Will men ever be equal? You have to understand that inequality hurts everyone, not just women. Don't believe all the things feminism says about men always having the power, thats not true across the board. It's true for many American white men, but not so for all men. We have a lot of inequality problems too, it's just no one really speaks up enough about it because everyone is so hung up on the powerful unfair white man who treats women unfairly.

I wish femininsm consentrated on both men and women issues equally.

Answer 8

I agree with you:-(
But it is male inferiority, not female inferiority, which should be the case. A scientist( I forgot the name, only that it began with H) said that if the human race is a tree, women are the trunk, men merely the branches, meant only to reproduce. You see, you have heard of a man raping a woman but not the other way round. Men are much more sexually aggressive than women.

Answer 9

Why do they want to be equal? They are different than men. That is a fact. Embrace the differences, don't try to blur the lines. Their is a lot of beauty in what a woman is that a man is not.

Answer 10

I’m so glad I don’t have to ask myself that question. I believe I am equal to men and better at doing things. I have a purpose in life and that is to be a woman, excel, doesn’t matter what I do and be happy in everything I do.