I'm amazed at all the pro choice people in here. are you all out of your minds?

Question

I'm pro choice, the choice to have sex, the choice to use protection, but the cancellation of a human being is where you lose your choice. and don't give me your bull about being raped, that's about 1 percent of the 1.5 million abortions/murders a year. if the moms health is at risk, i don't even know about that. the Lord should have the final say in that.

Answer 1

Right on. I'm pro-responsibility and pro-consequences.

It's amazing that a "christian" woman below would denigrate a baby to "just a part of the woman's body".

It seems like liberals want to do what THEY want with life. They find it great that there is a "right" to kill a living baby with a beating heart. What's next? Let's degrade the handicapped, the elderly, the mute? Wow. That's sounds like Nazi Germany. Beware of the excuses that liberals come up with to murder -- "Reproductive freedom", what's next? "Population Control" for murdering the handicapped, "Reduction of healthcare costs" for euthanasia? Liberals are the culture of death. They value nothing except themselves. All for the sake of convenience. Devilish humanists!

Many liberals sure don't know God, but they sure want to play the role. They want to make the choices of who (those that are innocent) is worthy of life and who is worthy of death.

Answer 2

Look, pal. If that's what you believe and you want to do, even if it's a choice between your wife and the baby, you go for it. But their are other reasons that you haven't considered, and I don't mean birth control, where the mother and, hopefully, her husband are quite capable of making that decision for themselves and their family without you stepping in and telling them that she has to go to a back alley abortionist and take her chances with a coat hanger. Do you think abortions didn't happen before Roe v Wade? Do you think they will stop if, God forbid, it would ever be over turned? And I'm a conservative, by the way!

Answer 3

I am amazed also. First I think you are half right.The choice to have sex is only if you are married and yes abortion is not ever a choice,
you helped make the child and it is your responsibility to carry this life until it is born.
You see if you don't want to raise the child there are people out there who can not have children of there own and would give it a good home and love,( if you can't) but I don't know how you can carry the child for 9 mo. and throw it away. please not for me, but for the life that is in you and I am not talking about you.

Answer 4

Okay people (women), why can't you simply take some personal responsibility and use some friggin protection?!?!
If I was a woman, it seems to me that that would make a whole lot more sense, and be much easier, and much cheaper, than going to a clinic, getting naked infront of a couple of strangers and having an invasive procedure, during which I'm given local anesthetic/pain killers, and having cold stainless steel tools inserted into my vagina, being groogy and sore afterwards, and then, on top of it, paying $300-600 for the priviledge.

Or you can spend less than $20 on some simple contraception.

HMMMM.....I would choose the latter.

So ladies...there would be no need for abortion if you were smarter and more responsible. And don't give me any bull about guys needing to bring protection, etc.
We all know guys are stupid dumbasses who have no responsibility for themselves, and they aren't the ones that have to have the abortion or walk around pregnant, so it behooves the women to bring the protection and force the guy to use it!

Answer 5

It's really amazing to me how many people don't see the freight train hiding being their little conservative posterboard...

Do you know why China can mandate abortions and force sterilizations? Because reproductive choice is not a guaranteed right.

As soon as Casey is overturned (for those who forget: Roe v. Wade was overturned by the Court in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992) we've lost freedom from government intereference in reproductive choice.

The thing about the abortion debate is that the two sides are arguing entirely unrelated issues. Pro-life people say "abortion is bad". Pro-choice advocates say "The government not should be making personal decisions that like". It's not about abortion. It's about who gets to make the decisions.

Face it -- someone is going to choose. It's either going to be the individual, or it's going to be the majority (through enacted laws). If the majority gets to choose, then they are effectively imposing their belief system -- which is almost always religiously-based -- on everyone. If the individual gets to choose, then it allows for those people who happen to believe that a 6-week old collection of cells is not yet a person, as well as those who believe it is.

But if the Supreme Court decides that reproductive rights are not fundamental rights, if women lose the individual right to choose, and the government makes all the decisions. Try to imagine what could happen, if all reproductive rights are now subject to state control.

New York or Florida could pass a law saying that anyone making less than $30K per year cannot have children, and must abort any pregnancy, because they obviously cannot support them financially. No constitutional challenge, because reproductive rights are no longer nationally protected. It's up to the states to decide.

Or North Carolina or Texas decides that convicted felons should never have children, and starts imposing mandatory sterilization as part of criminal sentences. No constitutional challenge, because reproductive rights are no longer nationally protected. Let the states decide. Right?

South Dakota has already outlawed abortion, even in the case of rape or incest or permanent harm to the mother. Then, they decide that they have too little population, and require every female under the age of 28 who is not celibate to have at least one child. Or mandating that women serve as surrogates. No constitutional challenge, because reproductive rights are no longer nationally protected. Let the states decide? When the states can't even follow the existing rules of law?

Once the right to reproductive privacy is taken away by the court, it will be decades before it can be reestablished. Conservatives better start praying, if they get their wish, that during that time they don't become the minority under a legislation that decides to require abortions. Because, once that right to personal choice is lost, the government will always be able to decide whether you can have children or not.

So why the big debate? There are two reasons. First, very few people will disagree that there is a serious lack of personal responsibility in the way many people live their lives. So, how do we fix that? We make people become aware of their choices, and require them have to take affirmative steps to fix problems.

However, what conservatives generally don't want to hear is that sometimes an abortion is the best affirmative step someone can take based on what happened. For rape or forced incest or unintended accident, there was no choice to get pregnant. So, requiring a woman to carry a baby to term is not making her responsible for her choices; it's punishing her for what happened to her. So, allowing someone to be responsible -- able to respond -- is allowing choice where there wasn't any before.

The other problem is the idea that the government should be able to legislate morality and eliminate personal choice. That's not making people take responsibility for their actions. That's just might-makes-right majority-rule bullying.

Right now, the conservatives happen to be in the majority, so many of them seem to have no objection to imposing their religious and moral views on others. But allowing the government to choose is not making being be responsible. In fact, it is abdicating personal responsibility to the to the government. But that is not a solution to any of the real issues. It's just replacing one situation with an even worse problem.

Do you really want to abdicate that much of your personal freedom and choice to a group of politicians? Do people really want to live in a country where state legislatures can decide who can be pregnant, and who cannot, and who must? Do people really have that much trust and faith in government that they think the legislature will always make the right choices? Because we'll be stuck with those decisions.

The concept of reproductive freedoms is not whether you agree with the individual choices being made. It's whether you think the government should have the right to take away and mandate those choices.

Why can't people understand that freedom of choice is not a minority value, even if the majority happens to disagree with the minority's choice?

Answer 6

think about this....

There are hundreds of thousands of children in this world who have never stepped foot in a classroom because their mothers are too busy sleeping and collecting a welfair check. These children are also hungry and haven't had a meal all day because their parents are too cheap to buy any dinner.

I don't believe that abortion should EVER be used as a secondairy form of birth control. I honestly believe that girls should be put on birth control as soon as they start dating.

I think that if women keep having to go get abortions, say after 2 or something they should have to go in for manditory tube tying.

I agree that people take advantage of abortions, but I also have to stand back and look at all the neglected children in this world and have to think, it is not their fault for being born because we decided abortions aren't moral. Why should we all vote and decide that these children have to be born so that more and more uneducated, hungry, children have to be born and neglected, turn into criminals and end up in our jail system?

It's not right and it's not fair to all those kids.

Answer 7

So you think that your views supercedes someone else's right to control what happens to their body? Explain to me how that works. How is your view more important and "right"?

If men had to be the ones pregnant, we wouldn't even be arguing this. Why is it right for you to tell me I have to remain pregnant if I don't want to?

I am not one that would ever have an abortion. I don't think the choice is right - for me. But who am I to say that it is not right for another, and in essence make that decision for them? I don't think that is right either.

I respect your view. You have every right to it. But you do not have the right to force everyone to subscribe to your point of view. Having it legal makes everyone have a choice and say in the matter. You can choose not to have one (if you were a woman), not support it (by making sure your money goes places that do not perform/support the procedure), and hand out your literature about why everyone should listen to you. If your way becomes legal, then no one has any choice except to risk their lives with illegal abortions. No government regulation, no medical training. THAT to me is worse than abortion being legal. You won't stop it by making it illegal. Education is the only way to stop it, and that means getting to the kids when they become sexually active. And for some reason, the christian right doesn't want abortions around, and they don't want to educate the kids about it in school, either. Funny that they want it to be illegal, but they don't offer an alternative way to do things. If you can't offer up a solution, then you are part of the issue.

sorry for any spelling errors - forgot to check spelling. . .

ps - coragryph: you nailed it! I wish I could have stated that in the manner you did! You spoke the truth, and hopefully everyone will think about it long and hard before they speak again. . .

Answer 8

My theory is that in the previous you bypass and abort some one Else's existence, first abort your own existence, and in case you nevertheless approve, then you may abort some one Else's existence. "that is hypocritical to help abortion once you're nevertheless alive!" Abortion hasn't ever healed a damaged coronary heart. Abortion hasn't ever healed a maximum cancers affected individual. Abortion hasn't ever helped a rape sufferer. Abortion hasn't ever solved any body's economic issues. the rationalization abortion is so properly-known is as a results of the undeniable fact that is a cheap way out of irresponsible moves. And please do not confuse "abortion" with "miscarriage". One is a planned act of violence at the same time as the different is a sad coincidence it quite isn't any one's fault.

Answer 9

I think your confused.

Pro Choice: The mother has the choice
Pro Life: The baby lives.

Answer 10

Unfortunately for you darling, not everyone believes in "your Lord" and there is such a thing called Rights. I'm amazed by people like you, who want to control the actions of others because it goes against your precious little one dimension religion. There's a whole big world out there with lots a different people with lots of different views and not all of them are going to make the decisions you would like them to , so try focusing on things you can't control.

You are out of your mind.