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many feel that charter schools (schools not being run by the government, but with gov. funding) are a first step in the "school choice" direction... but with their poor results... is it a step backward for the program?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_go_ot/charter_schools_5

all of a sudden public school doesn't look so bad...

2006-08-23 15:35:28 · 6 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government Other - Politics & Government

I'm pretty sure they are all taking the same tests... so how is that bias? These are based on gov. test scores I believe...

But I'm sure it's that liberal biased Bush that doing all this... hahaha

2006-08-23 15:47:15 · update #1

mrcricket1932: what is "your information"... all I hear from you is a lot of "hearsay" but no real statistics to back it up?

2006-08-23 15:48:22 · update #2

6 answers

My information reveals just the opposite.. as was determined in as remote a place as Chicago..Taking students that couldn't make it in the schools they were attending, yet excelled in the charter schools. They can never be as much of a failure as are the state schools.

Education has slumped to such a low state, one begins to wonder where all that money is being wasted. It has been deteriorating since mid 70's, about the same time as the Dept of Education was put into place. Or just shortly after. By the early 80's, even the universities had to lower their entrance requirements to allow students into higher education.

Now lets talk about schools failing. I have the advantage of living thru all those changes and observing what was taking place, for more than 40 years.
You only know what you are told. Which may be riddled with distortions.

2006-08-23 15:46:38 · answer #1 · answered by mrcricket1932 6 · 0 0

The data is hardly conclusive that charter schools are performing badly and I expect the results for charter schools to improve markedly over time. Here are a few things to keep in mind with regard to the article that you referred to.

First, since charter schools are regulated by state law the quality of charter schools will vary significantly from state to state. There are vast discrepencies in authorizing process, funding, and bureaucracy from state to state. Some states vastly underfund charter schools. A state that spends $3,000 per charter school student and $8,000 per district public school student may very well have lower performance. Money is certainly not determinative of education outcomes, but vast disparities make a difference.

Second, the data was from 2003 test year. Some of the best charter schools have multiple locations today, but had only 1 or 2 schools in the data set at that point in time. For example, KIPP Academies which now have about 50 high performing charter schools, I believe had only had 2 schools in 2003. Another flaw with the data is that the sample size of charter schools was miniscule, only about 5% of the schools on a much smaller school base than exists today.

What is much more illustrative of charter school success is looking within a state to see how charter school kids perform versus public school kids of similar demographics. In the Northeast, in areas like the Bronx, New Haven, and Newark charter schools are educating the same kids at exceptionally high levels. Charter schools are so new that what is really important is identifying models that can be successfully replicated and closing down schools/models that don't work.

Many people look at closing schools as a failure, I do not. I look at a naturally evolving process where success is replicated and failure is no longer rewarded is part of what makes the charter school model so powerful. Clearly there is much that does not work in the traditional public school setting, with many schools failing generations of kids. In Chris Whittle's book, Crash Course, he constructs a table that shows that in the 13th worst regular public school in NY that zero 0% of kids were passing the state math exam. Keep in mind that is not the worst school, but 13 schools were no kids are passing the math exam. My guess is that none of those 13 schools have been closed.

2006-08-26 11:18:29 · answer #2 · answered by casperp_98 1 · 1 0

Charter schools may be good. First you must look at how they're chartered. For example in Pennsylvania a charter school apparently is chartered by the local school district. In New Jersey a charter school is chartered only by the state Department of Education. By looking at just this the quality of the school that is created could be radically influenced.

Yes, charter schools do offer choice. Sometimes that choice is good. Charter schools probably are not a step backward, but they may not be for everybody.

2006-08-23 15:47:24 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

1st charter schools must compete with other charter schools and the public schools. This claim of poor performance I find more than a little hard to believe. Especially since this same media has been caught manipulating photos and facts to further their own agendas.
The teachers unions was the worst thing that could happen to a kid in public schools.

2006-08-23 15:44:04 · answer #4 · answered by Archer Christifori 6 · 0 0

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2016-09-29 22:12:43 · answer #5 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Laet's see why they are. Is it because public schools keep lowering their standards to the level of the stupidest kids......why yes i do believe so. We dont want to make those stupid kids feel bad now do we?

2006-08-23 15:41:08 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

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