Why does liberals think it's ok to exclude Christians from Politics, while pushing their atheist agendas?

Question

Why don't liberals let us Christians participate in Politics? Afterall, liberals get to push their atheist views on society.

We all know liberals don't allow prayer in school. My Pastor said that's why America don't got no moral Values no more.

Answer 1

You miss the point of the argument.

Individual Christians can absolutely participate in politics. So can individual Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, Sufis, Pagans, and so on. Even organized religions can participate, to the same degree as any other organization.

But what none of them can do is enact laws based solely on their religious beliefs. If a law cannot stand on its own, independent of religion, then it cannot stand at all. That one of the core principles that this country was founded upon.

Not just the 1st Amendment. Read Article VI of the Constitution: "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

The Framers did not want any religion, but especially the majority religion, passing laws to enforce those religious beliefs on others.

You also ignore the obvious fact that most liberals are members of some religion, and many are as devout as any conservative you can name. The difference is they have enough respect for their religion, and everyone elses, to not try and force their religious beliefs down everyone else's throats as a matter of law.

Answer 2

America was not founded as a Christian nation, it was founded as a nation of individuals able to freely choose their beliefs and how they worship or even choose not to believe. The no prayer in public school thing is due to the little clause we have that separates church and state. And besides, how would you like if you were to go somewhere predominantly Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, or whatever else, and were forced to pray and worship their way instead of your way. The schools aren't telling children to not practice their faith or speak to their deity of choice, the schools are just not forcing their beliefs upon the children. Oh and uh, there is no Satan taking over the school system. Global warming, while blown out of proportion by the extreme lefties, is a natural process that the earth goes through. We have ice ages, when the planet cools and much is covered in snow and ice, and then there are periods of warming up and there is nothing we humans can do or say to stop this cycle from happening as much as some people like to say otherwise. Protecting the environment, while again some people preach to the extreme, is important. We have become the primary species on this planet and we touch every continent outnumbering every other species of life on the planet therefore we use a heck of a lot more resources than the "lesser" species, many things (like trees) to the point that we are using up nature's resources a lot faster than nature can replenish them and because of this there is not enough to go around. And because there are so many of us we do tend to be more destructive than the average bear, shark, cow, or gorilla, etc. Evolution is no lie, though I do not think we came from apes as the apes are still here. Evolution happens though. And IF there is a God, who is to say that evolution was not part of His Divine Plan? the Bible was written by man long after he crawled out of the caves and walked upright and began to ponder things other than just mere survival and still yet had no idea how to fully explain everything around him. "The Devil" does not make anyone do anything. that entity is just made up so people have a scapegoat, an excuse for wrongdoing. And a final point, boasting about stockpiling guns preparing for the revolution kinda makes your previous arguments lose all credibility and cause you to sound a bit unhinged.

Answer 3

Once again, some of you are showing your ignorance.

I'm a liberal that believes that you can worship how you want. But when it gets to the point that you pass laws solely on biblical sources, then you're overstepping your bounds. Such as gay marriage. The biggest reason anyone can site for not allowing it always has the phrase "because according to the bible it's a sin" somewhere in it. Right there you have just invalidated your entire argument.

You have the right to your beliefs, but when those beliefs prevent a group of people from happiness then you need to back off.

You're Pastor is right, there are no more moral values. And it's the parents fault for it. It's the school's job to instile morals into your children. That would be...drum roll...THE PARENTS JOB!!!

What a concept. All too often I've seen parents too busy to play with their children or spend time with them. Maybe, if parents took more interest in their childrens lives, taught them respect, common decency, and personal responsibility, then things would get better.

I've seen more conservatives preach personal responsibility and NOT practice it than I have liberals. Namely because cons love to blame liberals for everything that's wrong.

And I've fought the religion in school fight. Some friends of mine had to end up sueing the school district to get credit for a class they took. If you were mormon, you got credit for attending, but if you were catholic or something, you just wasted an hour of your day. And what was wrong about it, is that you could take that class 4 times a school year. And you could take it every year. Which accounted for 16 credits of the 48 needed to graduate. Which was unfair to those of us who weren't mormon, because we actually had to earn those 48 credits and mormons only 32.

It's not that I'm against religion, I'm just against it when you shove it down my throat.

Answer 4

As a Christian liberal, I feel that it is good to have Christians participating in politics. But you seem to be missing the point.
The United States, as a secular government, is not supposed to endorse any religion (including atheism). Anyone who looks in the books of history will find out why uniting church and state is a bad idea. And if you think history doesn't repeat itself, you are sadly mistaken.
The school is a government institution. If you allow the teaching of religion in schools, you are uniting church and state. This would then be persecution of minority faiths, by influencing children against the faiths of their parents.
Absence of religion in schools is not an endorsement of atheism--it is simply the ignorance of the issue.
I would not be opposed to the teaching of a secular creation theory--there are many scientists who believe that the Earth was created, and who don't believe in Genesis. Once again, absence of religion is the key, including absence of the atheist religion.
If you want moral values, go to church. If you force moral values on people, whether in school or in court, then you are forcing a religious conversion on people. If God thought religion by force was acceptable, he wouldn't have put no tree of good and evil in the garden. But God cares about our free will, and he doesn't want forced worship, so he let us choose evil. Shouldn't we allow others the same choice?

Answer 5

Liberals in general do not wish to exclude Christians from politics; just religious agenda. Politics is not just a game; it is a serious matter in which a small group of people make decisions which affect everyone's freedom and lifestyles (it's not unheard of for governments to outlaw otensibly harmless facets of people's lifestyles, forcing them to either change the way they live or risk arrest).

You have suggested the idea of "pushing atheist views on society"; this is an interesting point, since atheism is not so much a religious belief as a lack thereof. Many children raised in atheist households (such as myself) are not raised with a particular set of beliefs, but are open to different religious beliefs and free to evaluate those beliefs and select those that resonate most closely with their understanding of themselves and the universe (or just remain athiest).

Ideas such as preventing prayer in school are not intended to prevent Christians, Muslims or any other religious groups from practicing their religion. The idea is to prevent secular schools run by Christians (or theists in general) from presenting a biased view of religion to children whose families choose not to follow that religion.

Answer 6

Luckily to date neither side can stop the other from participating, and that's what true liberals want. Look at most of the Supreme Court Cases on religion. It's one group of people that want to exclude. Liberal want to include.
How would you feel if some people was added to Pledge of Allegiance and we on money got changed to some.

Answer 7

It is not true that kids can't pray in school, it just can't be prayer led by a teacher. And why would you trust somebody trained in only something like physics or biology to guide your child in something as important as the Salvation Of Their Soul??? Please, it is NOT the responsibility of the schools to Save Souls or to preach the Gospel--it is YOUR responsibility to direct your child on spiritual paths. The schools' responsibility is to teach math and driver ed and maybe tennis in gym class.

As for Christians in politics, no problema at all! As long as when the Muslim population votes their religious views into law here you are willing to comply with them. There is a very good reason the founders did not want the gvt. enforcing religious law as secular law, see No. Ireland and the whole Middle East for examples of why they felt this way.

Answer 8

well first of all christians don't participate in politics for a number of logical reasons. we don't need god told me to do this, god told me to do that when important decisions are to be made. christians push their make believe views on society 500% more than atheists try and push their views on anyone. you have the attitude that if people don't believe the same way that you do, that they are wrong and they are going to burn in hell. prayer isn't allowed in schools because it is a violation of our constitution. if your pastor really did say that americans as a whole don't have moral values anymore then he is obviously a idiot. maybe he should start a cult out in the middle of the woods somewhere so that normal people (americans with moral values that are fighting for the freedom of idiots like you and him) don't have to deal with you in society. knowledge is a virtue.

Answer 9

Conservative hypocrisy never ends.

I think what you may have meant was "why cant public funds be used to push religion in public schools,even if some of the parents dont want it".

Name ONE peice of Atheistic dogma found in a school ONE.

Maybe your pastor is trying to control you mind for your money?

"moral values" is not necessarily tied to one monotheistic dogma,unless you're a pastor saying that it is TO GET MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE.

The argument is about money,not religion.

Answer 10

It's 'cause they KNOW that they're superior to the rest of us and if we'd just shut up and LET THEM they'd be happy to run the country, the states, the counties, and the cities and towns for us in addition to running our lives for us, too.

What a deal, huh? Why, we could even stop thinking, too!!!

Just send 'em our money and they'll take care of us - that's the bottom line for that crowd and they MUST be opposed at every turn.