Is it time for England to give up Northern Ireland?

Question

What do you think folks? Is it time for England to finally let go of Northern Ireland and end its 800 year record of occupation?

I would really like to know how Britain can justify attacking other countries for their invasions, ie Iraq and Kuwait?

Isnt it true they have been an occupying force in the north of Ireland for over 800 years?

I think its time for them to leave the Irish be, 800 years of killing, murdering and war is enough!

TIOCFAIDH AR LA.

Answer 1

Whatever anyone may think or say on this issue the facts speak for themselves. Northern Ireland is all that is left of the "English"colony of Ireland and together with Wales and Scotland should be free from the rule of the London government.
Since 1066 there has been nothing but barbarity, pillage and slavery in the name of the English crown and even today no matter which government is in power they pursue the same policy. (Iraq, Afghanistan, and will Iran be next?) So yes northern Ireland should be united with the Republic as an independant member of the EU.

Answer 2

This question has already been posted in another form. Britain is a democratic country and any decisions on NI have to be made through the ballot box - with the full consent of the people of NI. There is no getting away from the fact that NI takes far more from the UK than it puts in and therefore it is not in their interests to give that up. The people on NI are British - end of!! I wonder given the ROI's enthusiastic support for Adolf Hitler if you would also be suggesting that the normandy landings were also justified. Without British action, in certain circumstances you would not be able to express the opinions that you hold. Had Hitler won WW2 you would no doubt be living in a land classed as racially impure - and you know what that meant!! History, is history my friend and I wonder if you are suggesting that crimes from 800 years ago should have any bearing on todays generations - because that is not only backward looking but it ignores the other side of the argument - i.e. Ireland's collaboration with Napoleon, Hitler etc, the Irish coastal raids of the UK mainland (St Patrick?), the murder of English parliamentarians and scots by Irish Catholic armies in the civil war and the list goes on. Reconciliation involves both sides admitting they have done wrong and forgiving their former enemies in order to go forward. Let the people decide their own future and get over it!!

Answer 3

The position of Great Britain (NOT England, please) has long been that the two parts of Ireland will be reunified when the people of that province wish it. This is also a principle of the Good Friday Agreement, which all main NI parties and the Irish government accept.

There was a vote on reunification in 1973 or 1974 and the decision was to keep the status quo. Or do you think the views of the majority doesn't count because the Unionists have 'only' been there for 300 years. How long would be enough - 400? Five hundred?

You may also wish to consult the people of the Irish republic. They voted overwhelmingly to abandon the constitutional claim to NI in 1998, and they may not want to assume responsibility for that gangster-ridden corner of their island.

Answer 4

Its only a question of time and demographics. In another 10 to 20 years the catholics will be in a majority. if they want they can declare independence. I am not sure Eire would want to join up with the North. If they do decide to join up then they should get some advice from the Germans. The Germans put East & West together but I am not sure it has been a grest success for either side.

Answer 5

Give Northern Ireland up to whom? They have already passed laws on devolution and given Northern Ireland to the people who live there.

If you mean that the UK Government shoudl FORCE the people of Northern Ireland to be govered solely by the IRA (the gangsters who rob banks and extort from businesses and engage in corruption generally -- and who divide up the market for corruption and theft with the UDA!) the you are anti-democratic.

In fact, the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement Appendix states that any person born in Northern Ireland (and that includes my daughter, who happens to be Jewish) can present herself to the Governments concerned as Irish, British or Both. And the Irish Republic already has substantial say in the governance of Northern Ireland.

So your question is tentendtioius and ignorant. You might as well say that PUERTO RICO should forcibly be made independent, despite the repeated voting of its citizens to be associated with the USA. Ditto for Quebec (although the vote was close) and Switzerland (joining the Euroopean Union -- which we Swiss narrowly rejected in 1992.

I note that people like you are VERY SELECTIVE in how you want to force sovereignty to change. Those who hate the Turkish Republic of Northern Ireland don't want to admit that the Greeks began slaughtering them in 1974 and violated the terms of the Constitution, the Intercommunal agreements, and human rights law.

Those who do or don't like Israel want to revise history accordingly.

The fact is that all of the things you and others complain about hapened years ago, sometimes hundreds of years ago, when the people living there now weren't born. You might as well call all Germans living today guilty of Nazi crimes. People are entitled to their vested interests, and the world is stuck with facts on the ground. You can't change the language, religion, customs, race or nationality of all the peple I've mentioned, at least without their consent. Unless you want a new Armageddon -- which is, I suppose, exactly what terrorists like the Real IRA, and their sympathizers, perhaps including you, would dearly like.

Terrorists don't value any life, and to kill their own children as collateral damage (as in Omagh) is just another tool in their war against humanity.

Answer 6

I can tell by your name that you're Irish. You're well aware that it's much more complicated than that. It would be bad for Ireland to gain control of NI as it is. Among other things Northern Ireland has severe economic problems that most of us don't wish to inherit. The economy in the Republic is among the strongest and most dynamic in the world and we'd like to keep it that way.
Also if we merged it would provide Sinn Fein with a much larger electoral base. This would be extremely negative for the Republic.
Britain is the only country that could arguably benefit from a united Ireland.

Answer 7

Yes - totally...if the people there want to be British, they should move to England.

NI is Ireland - end of...

And no - I'm not Irish, or British..I have the benefit of being able to see things in perspective..
All this bickering and bombing doesn't solve anything..

Answer 8

Only if that's what the people of Northern Ireland elect to do.

Answer 9

Nobody owns any land. Geographical boundaries have always changed with time and will continue to do so.

Land is there to be won and defended.

War is just human nature.

Answer 10

I think they should have abandoned it 800 years ago, Ireland is a hole. Unfortunately our government hasn't finished ploughing the majority of the English purse into making Dublin look nice yet... after that I'm sure they'll let you have it back to destroy all over again.