The Imperial Lance / The spear of the Crucification; whatever you wish to call it....
...Hitler eventually got A spear: was it THE spear proported to be that of the great Charemagne?, The same spear oft linked through 10th century Bishops to Constantine himself..
However, is this just a myth? in your opinion is there any satisfactory evidence to this amazing history?
2006-08-20 01:59:17 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Arts & Humanities ➔ History
Hitler did indeed have the spear Charlemagne had. However, tests have shown that the spear was made centuries after Christ was crucified, so that the spear was not The Spear.
Just for thought, though. During the tests, it was found that, inside the spear itself, there is an object. They are not certain what it is, but it is thought, given it's shape, that it may be a nail, of the type crucifixions were done with. Whether it is a nail from The Crucifixion, they don't know. They cannot do dating tests on the object without destroying the spear, and it is an artifact, quite antique, and no one wants to do that.
2006-08-20 05:58:33 · answer #1 · answered by graytrees 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No, he never had the Spear of Destiny. The book is complete fiction written by someone who was apparently a Theosophist. For instance, Rudolph Steiner is presented as a hero who resisted the Nazis in Ravencroft's book. The reality was he was an "Aryan supremacist" who has many ideas in common with the Nazis! Steiner left the Theosophists when they picked a dark skinned Krishnamurti to be their messiah. Steiner founded an even more racist version called Arinosophy. The Nazis eliminated many rival pro-Aryan groups when they came to power, and Steiner's was simply one of them. He was no hero. The so-called Spear of Longinus is not the spear that pireced the side of Christ and has been dated to around the 13th century. The part about Patton running around yelling at people to give him details about the spear is also bull. Aides to Patton have confirmed it didn't happen. Hitler also never traveled to India to join the cult of Kali. The only countries he ever visited outseide his native Austria were Germany and a few hours in France. Alan Baker, author of Invisible Eagle, The History of Nazi Occultism, thinks Hitler was more interested in getting a hold of the Hofburg treasures for financial, not occult reasons. When the Nazis got the spear, it was merely warehoused with other looted treasure. Hitler seems to have been completely unaware of it's existence! Hitler had actually risen to power before Germany had "possesion" of the spear and once Germany took possesion of it, they later lost WWII in the years to come. Ravencroft's book contends the U.S.A became a superpower because of the few days the U.S. Army had possesion of the spear...as though being the last man standing and being the only country with the atom bomb had nothing to do with it! The spear is right back where it was before WWII, in the Hapsburg muesum in Austria. The last time I checked, the Hapsburgs didn't rule the world, and Austria isn't a superpower. The Hapsburgs have heard about Ravencroft's book and scoff at it. I guess they should know. It didn't help them against Hitler, nor did it help them win WWI. Hitler and some of the Nazis did seem to be involved in the occult. The video The Occult History of The Third Reich is a good reference and never mentions the Spear of Destiny bunk.
2016-03-26 22:48:55 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
You mean the supposed Lance of Longinius, the roman soldier who pierced the side of Christ?
Alot has been made about the occult wringings of the Nazi party but 3 years of intense study, as part of my current European History degree, has given me absolutely no evidence to suggest anything of the sort. Himmler did have a mild fling with the occult, thats is true, but a lot of the stories of 'the spear of christ' and the bloomin arc of the covenant were actually urban myths pushed at the media to make the Nazis seem even more insane then they really were
2006-08-20 03:16:40 · answer #3 · answered by thomas p 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Hilter didn't found it or created it. The Nazis stole it like they stole many things from museums. After his death, the spear was found in Hitler's bunker by american soldiers.
I saw a program on discovery civilization, it's not a myth, it's an archaeological evidence. We don't really know that the spike (within the spear) was from the cross of Christ but for sure it's from that time.
2006-08-20 13:41:25 · answer #4 · answered by Spartan 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
He did find the famous object that today is considered to be the Spear of Jesus. That object, however, dates from many centuries after Christ and can therefore not be the REAL Spear of Jesus.
What happened to the real thing and whether it actually existed I don´t know, and I don´t believe many other people do.
2006-08-20 07:33:54 · answer #5 · answered by denand2003 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Paul Ripley an also sell u The Spear of destiny
2013-12-20 10:31:42 · answer #6 · answered by Paul 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Ummmm, I think you need to stop watching Constantine while you're stoned bud. That's all a bunch of crap. I would suggest you put down the joint and go back to school before you start thinking that Spiderman and the Incredible hulk are real too.
2006-08-20 02:06:04 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
The Spear did not exist...
2006-08-20 02:04:48 · answer #8 · answered by Cutie Teacher 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
http://web.org.uk/picasso/spear.html read for yourself. Apparantly Hitler did have, but truly not in his procession, t but guess what he lost it to who the American 7th Army and guess what happen to Hitler he killed himself his lost the object that would have let him to conquer the world was now in the hands of the Yankees; and thank G-d for that.
2006-08-20 06:22:54 · answer #9 · answered by Gail M 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Ah .. relicquaries ... I have heard that the foreskin of the first Dalai Lama once got mistaken for a potato chip ...
2006-08-20 05:15:51 · answer #10 · answered by gmonkai 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋