if they are sinning its not against you, so why are you so friggin worried, it wont rub off.
2006-08-18 19:10:31
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answered by Anonymous
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News Flash -- Not only is Christianity NOT the only religion in the world, but NOT all Christians are biblio-idolators. So for those of us who know that the Bible is just a human book of myths and NOT the Word of God -- its easy.
While we have none of the autographs of the Bible, the early manuscripts we do have have and that are known to be genuine, by the most conservative estimates, have 200,000 differences between the wording in them, and while many are not meaningful, some completely change the doctrine of the church. (Ehrman, Bart, Ph.D.; Misquoting Jesus: The story behind who changed the Bible and Why; Harper Collins, 2006 -- p. 89). less conservative estimates range up to about 400,000 -- and there are programmers now endeavoring to write a program that will be able to count the exact number of variances.
And that's only the start of the difficulties for the Bible. If you only use the Textus Receptus (Received Text) as it is printed in modern Bibles then you are looking at enormous problems anyway -- in fact insurmountable ones. The World does not have corners (Isaiah 11:12), nor does it sit on pillars (I Samuel 2:8), nor water (Psalms 24:1-2). God did not establish a solid dome over the earth (that's what firmament literally means) and he does not have a palace on top of it from which angels can come and go up Jacob's ladder -- which might be reached by the tower of babel -- and where he keeps "treasuries" of hail and snow (Job 38: 22-23). For the sake of all that is decent, you can't even harmonize the 1st and 2nd chapters of Genesis with each other, say nothing of being able to defend the Biblical creation as scientifically factual. That's no surprise though, as the Bible tells us that beetles have four legs (Leviticus 11: 21-23) and that rabbits chew their cuds (Deuteronomy 14:7). It says that pi is 3, not 3.14 (I Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2) and that the mustard seed is the smallest seed in the world and grows into a tree [neither of which are true] (Matthew 13: 31-32). It is hardly a font of rational thought or scientific accuracy. Furthermore these errors only scratch the surface. Try harmonizing accounts in Joshua and the telling of the same tales in timeline in Judges sometime. If you can you are more proficient than any theologian I've ever met, and I've met a few.
Late bronze age men created the OT and early iron age ones the NT. It is not surprising therefore that God cannot lead Israel to defeat Iron chariots after promising he would (Judges 1:19), and it is not surprising that the flight of Israel from the god Chemosh, after the king of a city the Jews were beseiging and that God had promised them they would overthrow The King of the city offered his own son to Chemosh as a human sacrifice, resulting in Chemosh driving the Israelites away (2 Kings 3: 19-27) -- further it is not surprising that no punishment is mentioned -- the Israelites were still sacrificing their own children, as is evidenced in several places, but most graphically in Judges 11:30-39
The long and short of it is, the Bible is a mythic book, written by bronze and iron age men who were recording primarily oral legends in written form. In any realistic sense it is drivel. You can see, just in the passages I noted above from 2 Kings -- the last vestiges of polytheism fading away. Chemosh was supposed to get power from human sacrifice, just as Jehovah did -- and that power allowed him to turn the table against Israel, despite the fact that God was with Israel.
Read the verses, read the context -- to all the things I've suggested, calm your breathing and thinking and ask yourself if this is really the God of the Universe you are reading about -- or a tribal deity, which has now evolved into the one we worship. I think you will find biblegod sadly lacking -- something the liturgical churches have been saying for hundreds of years. If you find yourself unwilling to even look -- ask yourself why? Are you willing to sacrifice the truth, in order to maintain a comfortable myth for yourself?
And if you want a chuckle, read the second, and theoretically final version of the ten commandments. They are in Exodus 34: 10-26. That is the covenant Yahweh actually made with Israel. No seething here.
SIn is one thing, and one thing only -- hurting someone else. So the gay couple that wants to get married is not sinning, but the person who wants to forward his PARTICULAR version of faith and so hurt them -- is.
Have a nice day.
Regards,
Reynolds Jones
Schenectady, NY
http://www.rebuff.org
believeinyou24@yahoo.co
2006-08-19 11:46:56
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answered by Anonymous
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Well, I hate in when people answer a question with a question, but I guess this is as good a time as any to start. How can you say gay marriage IS a mortal sin? I mean, are you and God buddies and you know everything that God likes, dislikes, and condemns? Yea, yea, yea... you say "It's in the bible..." but as other people have mentioned, so is eating shelfish, stoning disobediant children (Child Protective Services would love to hear that excuse... ugh, it's in the Bible...) and how women "should" behave... which is so not happening now. So, do the smart thing and take the book at face value... and understand that even if the crap is written with in the pages... God may feel totally different about it all. And it is God that ultimately judges us all... not you, not the bible totter down the street, and certainly not the Bible itself.
2006-08-19 02:33:13
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answered by Whatev' Yo' 5
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my dear, marriage is a human creation. the concept of sin is a religious creation. In this world there are simply things with good or bad consequences.
if for 2 same sex people marrying means they are happy, including their friends and families,then tell me what's the negativity present in that. only for religious people, who have nothing to do with personal issues of other human beings.
but descriminating and being authoritarian over other's peoples basic rights, that would be a mortal sin. Would u acknowledge it?
2006-08-19 03:40:12
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answered by ? 3
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separation of church and state. this country is run by religious republicans. marriage is a legal thing. it is only religious if you want it to be. people can be married by a judge. that is straight people though. there is no religious part there. gay people should be able to marry the same way. in the bible, there are stories of Jonathan and David being married as well a Ruth and Naomi. The bible is hypocritical. I still read it though. I don't believe in any marriage. It mixes business with pleasure. A marriage certificate is a legal binding contract. you don't need a law degree to understand that. i don't have one. I know the difference from law classes in high school. read your bible more closely.
2006-08-19 02:35:23
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answered by johnny_on_the_spot 3
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I can say it because I believe it. If your religion tells you otherwise then don't marry someone of the same sex, pretty simple huh? Others believe differently, that's just the way it is. Since this country isn't a theocracy I guess we don't have to worry about which religion's ideas about same sex marriage take precedence. Do you have any objections to it that aren't religion based, or based on made-up statistics given by some dotcom religious website?
2006-08-19 02:33:17
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answered by Anonymous
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Why it is a sin when two people decide to get married?Is it because it had to be Mr and Mrs?And it will be a sin if it not a stereotype marriage?If you disagree with same sex marriage,shut up and stay away,besides,its none of your business at all
2006-08-21 23:56:09
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answered by Janet Y 3
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First of all, the distinction between mortal and venial sins is a Catholic phenomenon. I'm not familiar with any Protestant sect that differentiates between types of sin - sins are sins.
Second, we are not qualified to define sin. Sin is not only the act, but what is in your heart when you commit the act. Again, none of us are qualified to judge that. I suggest you learn to live and let live, hang up your gavel and quit acting as if you are the Judge.
2006-08-22 16:16:42
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answered by Speedo Inspector 6
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Easy. Same sex marriage is not a mortal sin.
2006-08-19 02:10:46
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answered by i luv teh fishes 7
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Gotta agree with 'kak'.
I can say it easily:
"SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS NOT A MORTAL SIN."
See how easy that was? Okay. Now let's hear you say it.
Go on. It's easy. Don't be frightened.
Best Wishes!
PS: Don't you think the term "mortal sin" is a wee bit over the top?
2006-08-19 03:39:45
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answered by Specious λ Neurotica 3
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Because when I advocate for same sex marriage, I'm not refering to marriage in the spiritual sense, I'm refering to marriage in the legal sense. You may say that marriage is only legitimate if it is church sanctioned and blessed by a religious middle man, but no one needs your or your deities blessing to go through with a STATE sanctioned marriage.
Once LEGAL same-sex marriage becomes a reality (it's only a matter of time), you can bark as often as you'd like about how much your chosen supernatural big-shot disapproves... really... feel free.
They'll still be married in the eyes of the state and if that's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. I'm sure they don't want the blessing of you OR your church... it wouldn't mean much anyway. Who would want to be blessed by ignorant bigots anyhow?
2006-08-19 04:47:38
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answered by Anonymous
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