Why do Americans fear socialism, yet in many nations socialized healthcare has done so much good?

Question

Keep in mind that Russia, china, and North Korea are not what I am talking about.

I’m talking about capitalist nations that have adopted socialist values and smoothly integrated them with their economic system.
Examples; Japan, Europe, Canada, etc.

i live in japan and with their system i never have to wait in line!
Everyone here in may tax bracket pays 100 bucks a month. i dont even need an appointment. and i have a 30% co-pay

Anyway, I meant to say European countries up there.

But I seriously doubt doctors are just pouring into America, where malpractice lawsuits are just waiting to screw our doctors.

Is it just me or do all Americans think everyone is just DYING to get to America? Get real. Only Mexicans are excited about getting into America. The rest of the modern world only visits to take pictures.

Well, actually, there is no need to have a weapon in japan, because there is virtually no crime and no area to shoot it. we americans have just been brainwashed into thinking it's so great to have weapons.

Saying there was no holocost is like shouting the N word in america. is that legal? should it be?

my point is that i pay an extra 100$ through taxes, with a small co-pay. compared to what americans pay for insurance, i would say the japanese system got you there. the 100 per month never goes up unless i start making more money. just like tax brackets in america.

since when do people go to another country for health care. only rich people can afford that, another reason why we should ask themselves who this system is benifiting.

I guess i'll stay here in japan forever. the food is better anyway. (^_^)

they cant bog down the system if they have a co-pay. and if they do for illigite reasons, they should increase the co-pay,
just like any company does now to control costs.

why do people always assume that it is totally impossible.

America is the wealthiest nation on earth, if anyone can implement this system, it is us!!

.............Japan is a democracy.

Answer 1

my own personal opinion is that because many americans have been raised with the mentality "the harder your work, the more you get", it is very hard for them to fathom the idea of socialism. we have been cultivated in a capitalistic society where it's each man for themselves.

Answer 2

Socialized health care and other benefits are not the same in all the nations that use it. Only quite wealthy nations have been able to sustain the system. Europe is slowly changing to private insurance programs similar to the USA. I hear the phrase, free medical care and retirement. This is where the real problem comes from. When people believe it is free then it is abused to the extent it can't survive. The cost has to be paid and it will be paid by the people through taxes. The more abuse the higher the costs and that is higher taxes. You mentioned you pay 100 bucks per month so you are not saying it is free to you. Knowing that the more you use the system the more you will pay has the effect of keeping the costs down some. No one wants to pay more if they can help it. Changes have to be made in all nations from time to time to keep up with social benefits. It is not an easy thing to provide benefits at reasonable costs.

Answer 3

A lot of it is propaganda, when in fact we have some socialist programs here. people are told we don't have any socialism and they believe it, because the man on the tv said so.Some socialism is ok and has worked for years but we have very powerful insurance groups here who want huge profits. The doctors who come here are here for the money because the insurance people have set it up for huge profits and they want the money.While the best system could be coop healthcare, everybody pays in a little and insurance should be banned from healthcare or just for those who want it, negotiate on a large scale to drive down cost and pay doctors fair, it could be a winner.

Answer 4

We are a socialist country too. We have welfare. We have social security. We have medicare and medicaid. We've got corporate welfare and corporate charters with limited liability. Not to mention all the regulation of the entire health care industry which drives up costs. We've been socialist since before FDR and still are.

When you look at other countries, you're seeing it through rose colored glasses ignoring the reality of socialism that's in your face.

Consider in Europe that it's illegal to say that the holocaust never happened. And the right to bear arms is not recognized. Also, many doctors are fleeing Western European medical care establishments for countries that allow them to compete more freely. And the tax rate, holy mother of god. When government gives you your livelyhood, they can tell you what to do starting by limiting your choices.

The ones that truly hate socialism still have Jefferson in their blood. They're not Republicans. They're Libertarians.

The free market works, if only we'd give it a chance.

enjoy reading this if you truly care:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3627

read the full pdf




So you're saying censorship is good? I can say n!gg@ here. If someone kicks my @$$ for it, they get in trouble, not me.
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Then why do cities that recognize it's residents right to carry concealed weapons have the lowest crime rates in the US? The only ones brainwashed here is people believing only cops and criminals should be allowed to carry guns. Seriously, ask yourself the last time a cop prevented a crime or caught the ones responsible. And ask yourself the last time anyone shot up a police station or gun show. The best deterrent is knowing the guy you're about to rob can kill you.
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What's *just* has been debated for centuries but let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn *belongs* to you – and why? – Walter Williams

Answer 5

The "Model of Socialism," Sweden, is having problems becaue people find it easier to receive welfare benefits than work hard and pay 50% taxes.

Many American sports players will not play for a Canadian team because of the high taxes.

How high are the taxes in Japan? Are there any "write-offs?"

There are pros and cons in living in any society. It is hard to adjust to a new system, when you have lived under a certain system all of your life.

Answer 6

Fear isn't the right word to use here I believe, unless you were trying to make Americans feel bad.
I think it better to say we don't know all the facts. Were trying to learn so we can push harder for things that actually help OUR people for a little while. All of them, not just the ones that have the 5 mil plus it takes to get decent health care.

Answer 7

While "Europe" is not a nation, I'd love for you tell me why doctors are fleeing Canada and "Europe" to come to the United States?


To head off a reply, the "average American" pays less for their healthcare than an "average Canadian". Those trans-fats are a *****, notwithstanding.

Answer 8

I think if you research the state of economy in those countries, you would be afraid of socialism also!!! Democracy promotes much freer trade, and in this country if you work hard, you will succeed and have the health coverage you need...along with alot of the other wonderful things democracy has to offer!!!

Answer 9

Yeah... well... I agree, personally.

Socialism to a small degree is good.

Thanks to the '50's and the coldwar a lot of people still hate the idea of something not capitalist..

Oh well, life's unfair.

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Yeah I took a vacation in Japan, LOVED IT. (I love to food too. Sushi is the best)

Personally my favourite places are in Europe.

Answer 10

Do you know how many Canadians come to the US for health care?
When health care is "free" taxes are high and lines are long. So pick your poison.