What? I am so sick ..of this. Listen up!!! Do you agree with this?

Question

President Bush Just because he dont wimpy down and brimg our troops home he is condeemed. just because he declared war because terrist was using our own people and aircraft against us he is condeemed just be cause he wiretaps phones he is condeemed. by who? people who really have something to hide are you to terriost? can he do anything right? terriost have been and are being arrestted everyday via wire taps thats not all research it hey you think you have all it takes to down the pres? why dont you think . what it is thats really bothering you ? statistics are that more plots are being stopped by this wiretaping then anything.including drug lords and such. I think that judge that said its not legal she has to be involved more then they know wonder whats she hiding ? We wouldnt know what to do where to hide if someone else had the oppitunity to show they could do better or if the pres. did coward down and send the troops home .people shut up , let him work.and quit giving out secrets

Answer 1

YES!!!
The problem is too many Kerryites out there. It seems many have a short memory. I find it funny that many of them cite Fahrenheit 9/11, there were so many that objected to the beginning when President Bush supposedly sat there for a long time not knowing what was going on, (**which by the way is incorrect, had Michael Moore not inserted a voice over during that period of time you would have heard that the class was continuing), they cried he should have jumped up and done something right away. Now they are all just the opposite! They don't know what they want, if we stopped this war and pretended everything was okay we would be vulnerable again. Then when we are attacked again it would be the President's fault for not finishing the job.They just need to get their heads out of the sand and see the real world. We were attacked, our President has chased the rabid dog home and is dealing with it's owner.


** Everyone should watch FarenHYPE 9/11 there are a lot of people in it from Farenheit 9/11 that are OUTRAGED at the way Michael Moore twisted what they said or didn't say to suit his agenda.

Answer 2

No I do not agree with your paranoid view of American privacy! President Bush is not to blame entirely for what is being done to combat terroism, we the American people should do something more to stop the man from destroying our country.
The judge who had the guts to say no to the wiretapping is a wonderful american who cares more for her people than she does for her job.
Look at what has happened to the country since he has decided to use the tactic he is using. We are in bad shape and don't know it because of the secrecy. If they are being successful with the stopping of terrorist activity in our country by invading our privacy, if they want the countries support, then tell us what they have successfully stopped. I see not a damn thing that has been acomplished by my privacy being invaded except my private life is no longer mine. I am an American and I will stand behind my president. No matter what. But if he is my president, act like he actually thinks we are smart enough to condone his activities. He knows we will not because once this kind of thing is put in place and becomes common place, we will never be rid of it.
If you think the man is working toward a peaceful solution with all his hostile actions, think again.
President Clinton was done dirty and you all know it . Nothing that happened with that man was our business, yet his privacy was invaded and the press and our own legislation made our country a laughing stock of the world. None of the things he was caught doing had any bearing on the way he was doing his job. It was his private business. and that is where I stand, using that as an example.
Mr. Clinton had us in th black without debt. and he also had diplomatic relations with other countries at all time high. Why do you think they waited until he was out of office before they attacked us. Think about that one for a minute. They knew we had a fool for a leader and took advantage of it.
You need to stop and get down off your soap box for a minute and look at the dirty laundry piling up at your feet. Because of this president we are in a heap of trouble and if we stopped right now and pulled back and tried to help ourselves to get our feet back under us. It is going to take at least 10 years or more to do it.
We cannot stand 2 more years of this kind of throw money at it policy he is handing down to us. We simply do not have the money or the man power to do it people.

Answer 3

No. I think you've completely missed the point.

First, there is absolutely nothing the administration has done with the wiretaps that could not have also been done legally, just by following the proper procedures. Everything could have been done legally, because the laws already in place allowed for the same scope and depth of surveillance.

{INSERT to don45123} Yes, the FISA court was set up for just this purpose. And Bush didn't even go to the court because he couldn't be bothered with following the laws.

The existing laws just required the government to fill out the proper paperwork first and get court approval. And in the almost 30 years the FISA court has been operating, they've only ever turned down three (3) warrant requests. Out of untold thousands of applications. So, pretty good odds for the administration, regardless of what they were trying to accomplish.

Bush didn't conduct illegal warrantless wiretaps because there was no other way to get the information. He did it because he just doesn't think the laws should apply to him. So he chose to ignore them.

Also, the argument that "if you don't have anything to hide, why should you care" is utterly ridiculous to anyone with half a brain. I can't imagine how anyone can rationally claim that is any sort of justification for intentional criminal conduct.

Let me give you an analogy. A total stranger breaks into your home, sits down on your couch, and starts watching your TV. Then eventually leaves. If you don't have anything to hide, why should that bother you. Just because it's criminal shouldn't matter if no actual harm is done.

Or another analogy. You have some tools in your garage that you haven't used in years, and don't plan on using any time soon. A stranger breaks into your garage and takes those tools. You're not using them, so no harm done. Just because it's criminal shouldn't matter, right?

Or another. A person orders child pornography magazines from another country. The magazines are very old. The children pictured in them died 50 years ago. The person just sits in their home and fantasizes about having sex with children, but never is in the presence of any living child. They've hurt nobody, so no harm done, right?

One more. A person sneaks into the US. They don't tell the INS they're here. They get a job, pay all their taxes, pay rent, and otherwise live their life without anyone knowing they're an illegal alien. So what's the problem. Just because it's criminal shouldn't matter if no actual harm is done.

That's the point about the warrantless wiretapping. It's illegal. It is a willful violation of federal law.

So, why do people who are so opposed to other illegal activity think it's OK for our own elected officials, especially those who have sworn an oath to uphold the law, to break the law without being held accountable for their actions under the law.

Answer 4

One thing to add to coragryph's brilliant analysis:
Is it OK if the government decides it wants to listen to your phone calls and check your banking records?

In case you are wondering what the actual LAW on this is:

“Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for a period not to exceed fifteen calendar days following a declaration of war by the Congress.”

hmmm… no declaration of war by Congress (only a resolution, and that is not the same thing) and it’s been 4 years… ( for those who are math-impaired, that's 1445 days over the limit.)

Answer 5

president bush is a dumbass. if my right to privacy or any other rights are taken away the terrorists win. you watch and see what happens in this so called war. it is not even a war on anything. we should have not been there in the first place. we could have sent planes to blow people up and then pulled out. i am only talking about afghanistan. we have no bussiness at all in iraq. bush only went there to settle the score because saddam tried to kill his dad. do you think we are going to straighten up a bunch of people that lost their minds hundres of years ago. i have no fear of terrorist but i can see that you do. you are the wimp and sheep like you are the ones that cause the most problems. you chicken s hit

Answer 6

What a stupid argument. If you don't care about your personal freedoms as guaranteed by the constitution then that's fine. I think that the other 250 million citizens of the United States of America would like to keep our personal liberties protected.

Answer 7

democracy is best taught by example. a pres. who violates the constitution is a dictator. Ben Franklin said "those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither."Ben knew a thing or two about tyranny. how far do you go trashing the bill of rights before you have a police state?

Answer 8

JAMIE GORELICK SAID THE PRESIDENT HAS INHERENT POWERS TO WIRETAP...AS SHE WAS SPEAKING OF CLINTON.

Answer 9

Whatever happened to conservatives that believed in less government?

Now they are inviting the government to spy on them...what insanity.

You are a fascist supporter, do you realize that? It's because of people like you that people like Hitler were able to do so much evil...all in the name of security, of course.

Answer 10

she said warrantless wiretaps are illegal...congress set up the fisa court just for this purpose