Is it right to criminalise kids with ASBOs when it's really due to cra* parenting?

Question

Instead the Government should provide more family counsellors in order to find the root cause of the problem and to work from there

Answer 1

It's true up to a point. There are some kids who come from so-called well-to-do families, have loving homes and good at school etc etc but they are still little (or big) shits. No amount of counselling or talking changes them, they're used to it and manipulate this system already.
Respect is instilled very early and if they have to receive a smack for wrong doing despite a warning then so be it. When they go to school they should expect and receive likewise. Any wrongdoing should be classed as shameful, disgraceful so that an asbo is not regarded as a badge of honour. The shame factor is all but gone. Teachers used to be respected outside of school not just in class. The police could tell you off or even 'clip' round the ear and that was the end of it. You can't say boo anymore without the liberal bleeding hearts pc brigade sobbing for the perpetrator, dismissing the victims of asbo-holders as somehow not understanding enough the poor darlings, etc etc.

There are those, thankfully in the minority, who are just plain evil and there's no cure for that, asbos, prison, swank homes , queens counsel, etc etc. The majority grow out of their asbo tendencies however, the cure wasnt/isn't talk or counselling, it's age. Meanwhile an up and coming generation is on the horizon to take their place and make decent citizens lives a continual misery. These people dont get a break from it at all. God help them if they defend themselves, they not only have the law to contend with but also nasty revenge attacks on person and property by the other side.

Criminalise asbos? Yes. We've had enough downgrading of one thing or another in this country, that's where the problem lies. For those decent parents whose kids still get asbos they DO suffer the consequences, it's hard but there it is, they already torture themselves with wondering where they went wrong.
How many remember being in school and the whole class was 'punished' for the misdeeds of one person who didnt own up? Peer pressure will eventually make sure it's sorted out amongst themselves. Or privileges taken away or similar.

The only ones benefitting here are counsellors. Some do have something to offer for a bona fide case, but the rest in my opinion is a waste of time, money and effort.

Answer 2

LOL!!!

It has nothing to do with the parents, if ASBOs were around when i was a kid i would have been tagged a whole load of times, i never listened to my parents and ran away as soon as things got heated to one of my pals flats.

Kids want to take drugs and get pissed, and the worse ones like what i used to be like will do anything for attention and to get some respect, Just little shits really but its a part of growing up and absolutely nothing to do with parents.

Nothing the gorvernment ever does will solve the prolem, it has gone far too far allready. Just sit back and relax or join in the fun!

By the way, getting an ASBO is a goal for these kids.
And getting tagged is even better.

Answer 3

In every generation there are bad kids. When I was 10-18 we did things that we should not. The one difference was respect. We respected our parents, teachers, police and religious leaders. The local family councillor was the village copper. He would arrive on your door and lecture us kids then tell the parents to get a grip of the family. No high paid social worker types. You got into real trouble Borstal was waiting. Not the cushy places like today. No tv early to bed. Physical exercise most of the day and education. Teachers with the deterrent of the cane. We are becoming a country of softies. That is down to Blair and his human rights and PC friends. We all think our parents don't understand. The problem is they do. The only thing is they need the deterrents to back them up. Asbo a joke. Its a game ,punishment should be hard and swift.

Answer 4

I dont agree that childrens bad behaviour is down to the parents in all circumstances and children should sometimes suffer the consquences of there bad behaviour. Its like saying if a child throws a brick through a window that it is the parents fault? The child might well have had a bad up bringing where boundries and rules havent been set and therefore the child has been used to getting its own way and doing as it pleases but sometimes a child is just naughty for attention and because he/she wants to show off to friends, peer pressure etc.

To conclude if it is the parents fault for deviance in a minor the parents should be blamed alternatively if the parents have tried to prevent the child being this way then the child should be punished.

I think if there were more childrens groups to keep them interested and occupied they wouldnt turn to crime and i agree there should be more counselling etc for families.

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Answer 5

I agree. If you can't find the root of the problem how can you be a solution to the problem. America and the justice system has a *** backwards way of looking at things and it only hurts the American public. With counseling we can help people change their lives for the better and we all win. Instead, lock them up and throw away the key mentality has never and will never work. They come out of jail and detention centers more violent and angry. It's our responsibility as a people (Americans) to make our justice systems work for us not against us. Peace.

Answer 6

I know it is easy to generalise, but where I live most of the children should be on ASBOs but then so should most of the parents, as they are much worse.

Having said that, sometimes you see parents who have tried everything, but just cannot reach the child. Should we punish them further?

Answer 7

Is it due to cra* parenting, or cra* social culture? Counsel can work with what's there, and make improvements, but the improvements seldom last without the cultural support OF MANY KINDS that WERE all that was needed ~ and lacking ~ to begin with.

Answer 8

I think most people in prison or committing any crime is due, inevitably, to crap parenting - so why not nip it in the bud when they are young? It's cheaper to slap on an ASBO than to train and employ thousands of counsellors and social workers.

Answer 9

bring back corpral punishment and national service....that will solve the unemployment issue stop immigration problems and remove a whole load of chips off shoulders

Answer 10

They should ASBO the parent as well!