double ?...why do catholics idolize mary and why do they pray 2 her and not jesus eh?

Question

....i think it was the greeks and italians who started this ....but why as there is no absolutely no evidence where the apostles told christian believers 2 pray 2 a female....4 each other yes......and PLEASE not the usual crap that she was the mother of god......or our spiritual mother.......or the interccesor 2 jesus.....or the so called visions people have SAID they have had over the centuries
as the asylums are full of those who had visions .......and please dont say its a matter of FAITH as i have very strong faith that i WILL get bashed from emods who dont know s.h.i.t. from putty....just please show me and the readers the historical proof that i should or must pray to mary 4 ANY reason .....and if U cant then WHY cant U factually tell me ?and do not say the usual crap that its a matter of faith because isnt that whats wrong with faith.....it really is emotionally bankrupt and lunacy !

.....if U pray 2 both then that IS blasphemy
as christ said I AM the way and no one else
.....not even the prophets said U will pray 2 the messias mother .....so dont shirk the ? emods SHOW US the proof

Answer 1

--Is Catholic--

It is not a matter of Faith, but a matter of history and philosophy.

I invite people to study history! Especially several of the posters above me. Additionally this is the Philosophy section, so why do people say things about pray to the dead being necromancy when that is not rational and completely ignores the philosophical definition of prayer????

NOW to your questions: In Catholic metaphysics, prayer is not worship. They are unrelated activities. That is your (and everyones) philosophical error, you are not using the correct understanding of words. Catholics do not worship Mary but we pray to her.

There are additional philosophical errors that are being made. Ones understanding of Christology, soteriology, and the basic metaphysical understanding of creation and its purpose is not held in its full sense. Because this is a big ball of yarn I am going to have to suggest that you learn about these things by 1. Reading Scripture 2. Reading Scripture in the Light of the writings of the Early Church (pre Constantine for all those who think that Constantine did something to the Church) 3. Read Scripture in accord with the philosophy and metaphysics in which it was written.

HISTORICAL EVIDENCE:
What evidence do you want? I have all types

That Mary was well praised in the early Church:
"In accordance with this design, Mary the Virgin is found obedient, saying, 'Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.' But Eve was disobedient; for she did not obey when as yet she was a virgin. And even as she, having indeed a husband, Adam, but being nevertheless as yet a virgin (for in Paradise 'they were both naked, and were not ashamed,' inasmuch as they, having been created a short time previously, had no understanding of the procreation of children: for it was necessary that they should first come to adult age, and then multiply from that time onward), having become disobedient, was made the cause of death, both to herself and to the entire human race; so also did Mary, having a man betrothed [to her], and being nevertheless a virgin, by yielding obedience, become the cause of salvation, both to herself and the whole human race. And on this account does the law term a woman betrothed to a man, the wife of him who had betrothed her, although she was as yet a virgin; thus indicating the back-reference from Mary to Eve, because what is joined together could not otherwise be put asunder than by inversion of the process by which these bonds of union had arisen; s so that the former ties be cancelled by the latter, that the latter may set the former again at liberty… Wherefore also Luke, commencing the genealogy with the Lord, carried it back to Adam, indicating that it was He who regenerated them into the Gospel of life, and not they Him. And thus also it was that the knot of Eve's disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. For what the virgin Eve had bound fast through unbelief, this did the virgin Mary set free through faith." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:22 (A.D. 180).

That through Mary, salvation has come and she is our advocate:
"For as Eve was seduced by the word of an angel to flee from God, having rebelled against His Word, so Mary by the word of an angel received the glad tidings that she would bear God by obeying his Word. The former was seduced to disobey God, but the latter was persuaded to obey God, so that the Virgin Mary might become the advocate of the virgin Eve. As the human race was subjected to death through [the act of] a virgin, so it was saved by a virgin." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V:19,1 (A.D. 180).

That the Early Christians prayed to Mary:
"Under your mercy we take refuge, O Mother of God. Do not reject our supplications in necessity, but deliver us from danger,[O you] alone pure and alone blessed." Sub Tuum Praesidium, From Rylands Papyrus, Egypt (3rd century).

If you want a good book on the history of Marian Prayers buy this

Title: The Greatest Marian Prayers: Their History,
Meaning and Usage

Author: Anthony M. Buono

Answer 2

Catholizm was corrupted around the time when Constantine was the head of the Roman Empire. He said he had a vision of God on the battlefield and had all his army paint crosses on the insides of their shields, and it was that act that he swears brought them victory.

After that he took to modifiying the church that had been started and upheld by the apostiles and those that came after them. He intermixed several pagan beliefs and methods of worship into the church, in an attempt to make the church seem more appealing to everyone, christian and pagan alike.

Old pagan gods where taken and renamed, being given the names of the earlier church fathers, thus furthering the appeal toward the non-christians within the roman empire.

THus why modern catholics pray to Mary and the saints. Christianity was mixed with pagan beliefs and the mythology of old gods to create a system that people would readily migrate to. It appealed to human nature, which explains why catholisim is still widely regarded as THE christian faith. People like to believe that they can do good things and live a certain way to ensure themselves a place in heaven, when christianity was originally based of faith in and love for God and God alone.

You are right, this practice is wrong. There are several other things wrong within the catholic faith, but I'm not out to try to bash it or the people that practice it so I'll stop here.

Answer 3

Catholics share the belief in the Communion of Saints with many other Christians, including the Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and Episcopal Churches.

The Communion of Saints is the belief where all saints are intimately related in the Body of Christ, a family. When you die and go to heaven, you do not leave this family.

Everyone in heaven or on their way to heaven are saints, you, me, my deceased grandmother, Mary the mother of Jesus, and Mother Teresa.

As part of this family, you may ask your family and friends here on earth to pray for you. Or, you may also ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Andrew, or your deceased grandmother in heaven to pray for you.

With love and prayers in Christ.

Answer 4

Many people are not going to like me for what I am about to say, but I honestly believe it is the truth. One of the first two commandments says make no graven images nor bow down to them, and the other says have no other gods before me. Your correct answer is: Satan has misled the largest organized religion in the world into believing that idolatry is ok. In his fight against God, he made a huge victory when he got catholics to make idols and pray to them. We are to only have one God. We are not to make idols of Him or any other being and pray to them. Our prayers and worship are to be directed to heaven and nowhere else. Satan has an entire religion, and the largest one at that, completely misled and lost. I am sorry, but the truth hurts.

Answer 5

Question: Should we pray to Mary and the "saints"?
Absolutely not!!!


To be blunt, when a person prays to Mary or any of the "saints" they are praying to the dead, which is necromancy. And according to the Doubleday dictionary, (Doubleday and Company, Inc. 1975) necromancy is defined as: "Divination by means of communication with the dead. Black magic; sorcery." By definition, seeking communication with the dead is equated with sorcery and black magic, and is an abomination before God.

In the Old Testament, God had crowned Saul as the first earthly king of Israel. However, God took the kingdom of Israel from Saul and gave it to David because of Saul's disobedience to God's commandments, and later destroyed Saul and his sons because he had sought to communicate with the spirit of the prophet Samuel who had died shortly before.

Saul had sought an answer from the Lord concerning a battle which he was about to fight with the Philistines, and when the Lord wouldn't answer him he said to his servants,

Answer 6

You never heard of Christianizing? Take a look at the early saints. They resemble some ancient gods and 'local holy-men'. Most churches in the old days were build on pagan holy ground. Some oaks in Europe that are next to a church out-date the church by hundreds of years.

The virgin is no exception.

Answer 7

They pray to both, Mary AND Jesus

Answer 8

The question is: Can you respect the theologic differences between the various christian churches, OR are you just a Catholic basher?

Answer 9

One answer that I have read is that Mary was introduced into worship to appeal to those who were used to goddess worship and were not inclined to join a church that didn't recognize the feminine side of spirituality.

Answer 10

we pray to both