Left wingers, would pulling out of Iraq lessen sectarian violence there?

Question

...or will we be breeding tomorrow's terrorists (angry that America quit and left them to fend for themselves)?

Answer 1

NO,not at all,but it would give Iran a chance to move in and become more powerful and dominate the middle-east. Sorry I'm not a left winger,but had to answer.

Answer 2

"Breeding tomorrow's terrorists" is the BEST (and only cogent)
argument I have heard to date for keeping our troops there.

However, when was the last time you heard of a Vietnamese
terrorist?

I think if we were to totally leave the country to its own devices,
that this is a real possibility. If, on the other hand, we were to
pull out and FUND other people to help (including heavily
funding the Iraqi government), we'd be paying less money
then we are paying now, losing fewer American lives than
we are currently losing and removing a huge source of the
current anger.

It could be that the country sinks into a civil war. I can't say
that it wouldn't be blood on our hands - because it would.
However, we put the blood there when we invaded, we're now
just trying to figure out how to have the smallest body count.

I continue to wonder if us continuing to be there is ultimately
helping anything. What are we hoping to achieve, realistically?

I do NOT see terrorists being angry at us for leaving them to
their own devices. Can you name a terrorist that ever claimed
that being left alone was the wrong thing to do to them?

However, I can certainly see a government that grew up hating
us... and therefore sponsoring terrorism.

Answer 3

Winston Churchhill knew that Iraq was going to be a problem in the 1920's. The nation we know as Iraq was created by the British out of territories inhabitate by Shitte, Suni and Kurds. These peoples had been enemies for centuries, and now with Britians iron fist they had to come together as a single nation. Unless the U.S. wants to stay in Iraq forever or install a new dicatator, the country will in all likelyhood break into three seperate states.
The unfortunate reality is that the Sunni will control the oil and are aligned with Iran.
Way to go Bush! Ya F@#K
So in answer to your question, yes eventually the violence would end if we pull out, but at what cost.

Answer 4

Middle Easterners aren't like US Citizens. Unlike US Citizens, Middle Easterners are strongly connected to their respective families, often through bonds a person in the USA wouldn't recognize as legitimate.

For instance, a Middle Easterner may feel just as strongly about the murder of his or her fifth cousin (that he or she has never met) as he or she would feel about the murder of his or her mother, father or sibling.

Additionally, civil and criminal laws in the USA derive from a shared public belief that all legitimate authority to answer such an offense is vested in the government;

Popular government in the Middle East is more by tradition than by secular law; it is for them both a right and a duty to avenge those killed and/or injured -- especially when such death or injury occurred at the hands of an outsider/infidel/etc.

(Remember: such perjoratives usually apply to "Westerners" and always apply to the USA.)

The other thing people in the USA don't seem to "get" is that Middle Easterners don't forget the aforementioned offenses: the precipitating acts become part of family history and Middle Easterner mythology --

In that way, the injury or death of a person having died hundreds of years earlier may be avenged by a Middle Easterner many generations removed from the precipitating act or acts.

What we would consider a criminal act of revenge or even terrorism is to them among the most honorable acts of heroism.

By contrast, in the USA, such matters are settled by the government; moreover, by the time the corpse has cooled, the survivors generally have no opinion one way or the other regarding the life of the offender.

THE ONLY way to defeat terrorism in the ME is to kill not only all the terrorists, but also the extended families of those terrorists: it would mean killing literally many tens (perhaps hundreds) of millions of people in a genocidal campaign that is itself criminal by nature.

EACH and EVERY time a terrorist is killed -- and much more importantly, every time a non-terrorist is injured or killed as a "collateral" casualty (whether by mistake or by design) -- dozens more terrorists are created.

By staying there, we are breeding entire generations of future enemies.

They were deciding how they would be governed LONG before the USA even came into existence, before England or Wales or Scotland became States. They were "fending for themselves" for thousands of years before anyone even dreamed of the USA.

Iraq does not need the USA to assist it in deciding its affairs, and it doesn't need to be a puppet state at the mercy of US policy.

If we want them to have a representative government, we should arm them all and pull out, and let them settle the matter among themselves. Any influence over their policies we think is necessary can be effected through trade diplomacy.

Answer 5

Going in there caused more terrorists. Leaving isn't a good idea either, don't get me wrong. I'm left wing but I know we basically have to stay there now and fix this. But killing terrorists won't stop terrorism. Terrorism needs terrorists. Terrorists are created from ideas. As long as there are countries there will be terrorists that disagree (violently) with them.

Answer 6

the only thing they'll be upset about is how America invaded their country and left them in a total state of chaos and destruction. Before the invasion, not ONE terrorist came from Iraq. If in the future any Iraqi terrorists attack the US, it will be 100% America's fault!

Answer 7

Probably neither.

But it would stop our troops from getting killed fighting their civil war.

Look at how many causalities we took topping Saddam's government (dozens), compared to how many we've taking playing national police force while they try to set up a new government (thousands).

A simple cost-benefit analysis says that it's much cheaper, in lives and resources, to simply pull out, and then topple the new government if we don't like it. Even if we have to do this three or four times before they create a government that we're willing to tolerate. Do the math.

Answer 8

I'm real Left Winger. I think there should be a revolt in America and that our government is overthrown and that the tax dollars should be distributed to the workers.

Wait, we're in a deficit. That might not be a good idea.

Answer 9

We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. There is no way to fix this mess. They don't like America and never will. There was lots of violence before we got there and will continue to be whether we leave or not. Our very existence feeds the irrational hatred of terrorists.

Answer 10

Definately lessen. they should nationalize their oil and fend for themselves, kick the big oil companies out of their country while we convert to ethanol. War doesnt work-- just makes money for a priviledged few.