why has bush completely forgotten about the separation of church and state?

Question

an abortion is a constitutional right meaning... yep, it's in the CONSTITUTION! but since it's not in the BIBLE, which, last time i checked, has nothing to do with America or LAW, he (A MAN) doesn't want it to be legal. oh btw, he funded and abortion in the 80's.

Answer 1

Actually the framers of the constitution made it very clear that there was to be a separation of church and state although it was not phrased as such in the constitution. The earliest reference is from Thomas Jefferson in 1801
"Gentlemen: 
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which are so good to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing. 

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should `make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore man to all of his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. 

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessings of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem. "

Thomas Jefferson

Additionally in 1878 this was the supreme court ruling further defined this separation
The phrase separation of church and state is a common interpretation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . ." The phrase itself does not appear in any founding American document, but it has been quoted in opinions by the United States Supreme Court. (The first such mention was in Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 in 1878.)
Bush and his wacko followers need to do a little research.
There are volumes of writing by the founding fathers that support this and you may look them up yourselves.
And for the poster who said why do we use one nation under god... again do some research, the phrase "under god" was added by christian fundamentalist in the 1940"s and was not in the original pledge

Answer 2

Very few people understand that the Bill of Rights and the Constitution do explain exactly what Separation of Church and State actually means. It does not mean that religious convictions can not be used to help foster a side of an argument, whether not not the argument is right or wrong. Separation of Church and State was derived from the Pilgrims, pastors were also town leaers, and they used to use confessions and family secrets against individuals to get their way. Separation of Church and State means a religious figure can not hold a political office, and vice versa, mayors, governors, senators, reps, and the president can not hold a position of clergy while holding office. The Bible, the Quran, the Torah, the Bagavagita, the Egyptian Book fo the Dead, the Tibetian Book of the Dead, none of it has any thing to do with Separation of Church and State.
Lastly, if you actually read the law on the books, it mentions nothing about abortion. It mentions that a woman has the right to make choices for herself regarding her own person. It was left open to interpretation as most laws are, so they can change with the changing times.

Answer 3

While he should not impose his religous views on an entire nation, many Americans forget the true spirit of the separation of church and state [law]. When the nation was founded, many sought the escape of religous persecution. In those days a person could go to jail and even be put to death for believing any religion outside of that established by the king/queen. When America became a nation, they got rid of such a law via "separation of church and state". It was to make sure no particular faiths were persecuted-not to keep prayer out of schools, get rid of abortion, or otherwise. Using separation of church and state to justify why he shouldn't outlaw abortions really isn't what the law stands for.

If you think about it, why would they make such a law, and still include "one nation under God" in our pledge...while I do believe the system today can be extremely ambiguous, this is definitely something to think about.

**I am not using this forum to debate my view for or against abortion.

Answer 4

For those unclear on where the concept of the separation of church and state has been officially recognized by our government:

The literal phrasing isn't in the Constitution because the concept was so obvious to the Founders (and anyone else who has studied Constitutional law in depth) that it went without saying. But it's nothing new to Constitutional scholars.

The phrase was first adopted by the Supreme Court in 1878, who gave credit for it to Thomas Jefferson as the originator of the quote. According to the Court, the phrase should be taken "as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [1st] amendment thus secured." Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878).

It's been US doctrine for almost 130 years, and was referred to in 1943 as "our accepted belief" and "cardinal in the history of this nation and for the liberty of our people". West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943).

So those who missed it must not have been paying attention.

Answer 5

Where is the amendment that gives anyone the right to an abortion? Not sure where that clause is. The court stated is was a right to provacy, but the word abortion does not appear in the constitution.

Answer 6

For your information, no where in the Constitution does it say "separation of church and state". It also does not mention abortion, so I don't know what you're talking about. You might want to actually read it before you start speaking about that which you don't know!

Answer 7

FYI, there is no such thing as the Separation of Church & State. Abortion isn't meantioned in the Constitution as a constitutional right.

Separation of Church and State is something the ACLU "created" in order to get rid of the Christian faith.

Answer 8

Can you point out directly in the Constitution where it says anything about a "separation of church and state"? Or where exactly in the Constitution it says "abortion"? No. Didn't think so.

Answer 9

Separation of Church and State. Those words were first uttered by Associate Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black.

He had a burning hatred of Catholics (and once successfully defended a man for murdering a Priest).

P.S. He was also a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

Besides, the Constitution says we have freedom OF religion...not freedom FROM religion.

Answer 10

Where exactly is it in the Constitution?

You are quit possibly the dumbest person I have ever encountered. I use to work with the mentally challenged too. You are not a genius and only a 3 year old would call you that.

Do you have any clue how the government works? Have you ever read the Constitution? Who is it you are parroting?