Faulty Logic of "creating gays"?

Question

How is it that people keep saying that its the environment or that a child is abused that turns them gay? They ( the homophobes) are saying that if a male child is molested by a man, they learn to like it, and it turns them day. Meanwhile, out of the other side of their mouth, they say that lesbians are created if a man molests a little girl, because she learns to not trust men. Can someone explain how this works out?

Answer 1

Sorry, molestation - no matter how many times it occurs - does NOT create homosexuality.

Answer 2

I do NOT think that it's like this for many, many of us. I was never molested or abused in any way as a child. However, I also didn't come into being a lesbian until in my early 30's. A lot of signs growing up and one experience in college but when you're raised in the Bible Belt of America you tend to be programed into one thought pattern. ANYWAY....my partner is a classic example of one being genetically gay! She was NEVER abused or molested as a child. I truely believe her's is in her DNA somehow. Her mother's brother is also gay. I will agree that there are some gays and lesbians who are NOT genetically gay. They are gay by some childhood trauma perhaps or other circumstance. But who are we to judge them because of this? We're not!!! If they have found love with the same sex.....then who cares???

Answer 3

In the case of the non-religious homophobe, this is just another attempt by people who dislike gay people to make us seem sordid, pitiable, perverted, or even less than human. That way, they can more easily claim we are not entitled to rights.

In the case of the religious right, they are desperately trying to find one of these alternate explanations for how gay people are made, because if they are NOT made, but born that way, there is a major contradiction in their faith.

Both groups are desperately trying to hide that the REAL reason they don't want gays to have rights, or even exist, is simply because they think we are "icky."

So desperate are they in this pursuit, that the explanations they come up with (such as this molesting thing) are utterly transparent, and fall apart with just a small amount of critical thinking.

With the molesting argument, we are to believe that molestation by a male relative has the magical power to turn either gender child into a homosexual. There, of course, is no medical or psychological proof of this, but that doesn't stop the spread of misinformation.

And spreading misinformation doesn't just hurt people's feelings, it costs lives. Take for example the widely held belief that gay people shouldn't get rights because of "the gay disease" called AIDS.

A quick review of the government's statistics shows that there are more straight people living with the disease, both in the US and worldwide, than gay people. And more men than women are HIV+. And lesbians have the lowest rates of infection and transmission.

If there is any rights-limiting conclusion to jump to based on these facts, it appears that men should not be allowed to have any sort of sex, and women should all be lesbians... you know, for safety.

All joking aside, in the US, straight women are one of the fastest growing HIV+ groups, and it's clear that this is happening primarily because they are being infected by HIV+ straight men. The anti-gay misinformation campaign loudly declares that only gay people get AIDS. And it is literally killing people.

I'll simplify my message for clarity:
Homophobes are hurting and killing people. And not just gay people.

Answer 4

The truth is homosexuality is almost certainly chemo-genetic --- but that is an impossible thing for certain subgroups to believe -- to those people there has to be something wrong with people for them to be gay -- so they embrace discredited theories -- even though those theories have no supporting evidence.

Sexuality terrifies many people -- particularly male sexuality -- so from discredited but existing theory they create less sane and less consistent hypotheses.

Its the nature of humanity. It's pretty pathetic, but don't let it bother you.

I would be amazed if someone doesn't try to quote something from a defrocked or discredited source in answering your question. Paul Cameron anyone?

Regards,

Reynolds
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PS Um Mido -- HIV is a virus -- the virus is, worldwide, primarily heterosexual. AIDS therefore is, worldwide, primarily heterosexual. Assertion doesn't change fact. In this country we were lucky, it came into the US and those countries to which it vectored from here -- through the homosexual community due to bisexual prostitutes in Haiti. Even here though it is reverting. Most new victims being infected are heterosexual. Again, assert whatever you want, but assertions don't change facts. I've linked the information below -- worldwide its 90% heterosexual and nationally new infections are now 70% heterosexual. Your assertions don't wash.

Answer 5

I think that our childhood experiences can speed or retard the way we reach our true being. We learn from our experiences. The world we are born into is almost always nearly exclusively straight. So early experiences may get us to the point of accepting our gay being, or rejecting a straight being, much sooner that we might otherwise have gotten there. But it doesn't change the end result of our orientation.

Answer 6

I was never molested and I still love men. So if I was molested by a woman...would that make me straight cause I would of learned to like it

Answer 7

they are ignorant homophobes! they refuse to believe that we are born this way and it's not a choice.
I've known people who've been molested/raped who are straight.
I have straight parents, was not molested/raped, knew no one gay/lesbian growing up and never met anyone gay until long after I realized I was. and most gays/lesbians I know grew up the same way. so, that pretty much blows that "environment/nurture" crap right out of the water....

Answer 8

Yo Mido! you the type of person tha really pisses me off... you really ignorant (I've never seen such thing before)... so, you just have sex for reproducing, huh? what do you do then with prostitutes, huh? and str8 couples who can't conceive a child, for you, they can't have sex right? stop being such an idiot!
Being gay has nothing to do with the environment, neither with psychologic disorder... I grew up in a str8 and homophobe family, being the only gay, and i never met someone else gay till i was 17! so the environment thing is not true...

Answer 9

They've got it wrong. It has been proven that boys who get molested care more likely to grow up and end up molested boys. That doesn't mean he turned gay, he just turned into a pedophile. Little girls who get molested are also more likely to become pedophiles, but they are a lot less likely than boys who do because girls aren't as naturally agressive as boys. Girls are more likely to become confused in their normal sexuality and most do tend to experiment more than girls who weren't molested. That doesn't mean that the molestation turned them gay though, that's just ignorant.

Answer 10

I know finding people's faults in logic is great, but only if you address it to the people who are giving you that bullshit as it happens.

I know it is absolutely frustrating to actually have to deal people that think that stupid too, it's one of the most horrible things I have to deal with to.

The best thing to counter ignorance, is by not being stupid, and thankfully you're doing that!