Why do gay people say the Lectivus "laws" do not apply but they still do?

Question

In every Bible it's the same thing

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Why do you gay people say it doesn't apply? If it didn't we would have edited it by now.

If the Bible is fiction you are fiction too.

Answer 1

Here's a list of people who won't have a share of Heaven unless they repent:1 Corinthians 6:9 (Whole Chapter)
Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality. But I still say love the sinner hate the sin.

Answer 2

Okay, you say that if The Bible™ is a work of fiction, then so are we who argue that it is. However, you can see us. You can (if you can bring yourself to) touch us, we can, and have, been beaten to death by people who cite this passage, so how is that fiction?

The Bible™ has more holes in it than emmental, you simply cannot deny. For a start, who's going to believe the testimony of people with Western names when they should really have middle-Eastern names...?

Okay, so The Bible™ has a number of half-decent moral codes that are, these days, obvious to even a five-year-old child. ("Thou shall not steal, what a brilliant idea!") Right and wrong issues should be clear to most of the population of the planet, but back when The Bible was put together, it was a necessary measure to implement moral laws, the punishment for which acted as a deterrent (hell) and the prize for adhering to them was adequate incentive (heaven) and also explained away some of mankind's greatest mysteries (what happens next; what happened before).

Nowadays, The Bible™ is outdated, superceded by our own morals that have developed over time and retained in our laws, which are enforced with real deterrents. So what, if we now don't know what happens next? Who is that desperate to find out? Like the ending of a great film, you don't want to know how it ends until you have finished fulfilling the story yourself.

Today, nobody actually needs The Bible™. It is defunct, redundant, useless. Those who do need it have to be emotionally dependent in some way and can't face the reality of life. "The Lord gives me strength."

It's archaic, but it's still used to judge people. By having sex with my monogamous partner of nearly seven years, how am I harming anyone else? The act of our lovemaking is no more damaging than that of anyone else's and so I'm not going to stop doing it just because a book says I shouldn't.

Answer 3

You have the power to edit the Bible? Hmmmm.

Actually Christ did edit the purity codes when he spoke of the New Covenant and that law was simply to Love God and Love your Neighbor as Yourself.

But Leviticus 18 isn't relevant to day, because you've abandoned the rest of Leviticus. Read it ALL. You're not obeying any of those rules! Lets just take an easy and non-offensive one. When you're alone tonight, take off your clothes and read the labels in them. Leviticus commands that you not wear a garment made of two different fibers. Check your labels for cotton/polyester blend. Cotton and nylon. Wool/poly blend?

Go ahead and take about an hour to read all of Leviticus. There is not much there that fits today's world, and that you would subscribe to. But your hatred for homosexuals brings you to 18:22 and and you call us an abomination. Read what it says about judgment and love of neighbor in the rest of Leviticus.

Please don't be a hypocrite. When you find the one Biblical verse (ok, there are seven) that apply to homosexuals, and declare that THAT is the Bible. (Unless you decide to edit it???where did you read THAT?) you are just that, hypocritical.

Answer 4

People have made some excellent, factual points here but you know what? It's a waste of energy to even answer you because you are the kind who hears only what you want to hear. The Bible applies to everyone but you! "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" doesn't apply to you, does it? Everyone else is expected to follow the Golden Rule and "Be ye kind one to another"! But not you! You are the kind of person that uses the Bible as a battle weapon instead of it's intended purpose....a guide for spreading Christ's message of love. I hope that somewhere along life's journey you will encounter someone who will knock you down a few notches and help you to see that being mean and hateful doesn't feel too good!!!

Answer 5

Of thousands of Old Testament passages, only two make explicit reference to homosexual acts: Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Both of these passages are a part of the Levitical holiness code, which is not kept by any Christian group. If it was enforced, almost every Christian would be excommunicated or executed. It has been logically argued that science and progress have made many of the Levitical laws irrelevant. For example, fundamentalist author Tim LaHaye states that, although Levitical laws prohibit intercourse during menstruation, medical authorities do not view it as harmful, and, therefore, it should not be viewed as sinful. He further explains, “Those laws were given 3,500 years ago before showers and baths were convenient, before tampons, disinfectants and other improved means of sanitation had been invented.” (The Act of Marriage, p.275) With that, LaHaye makes this law irrelevant and rightly so. Ironically, though, in his book, The Unhappy Gay, the Levitical laws are one of the chief cornerstones of his arguments. Much of the holiness code is now irrelevant for us as moral law. Thus, having children, which was of exceptional importance to the early Hebrews, is now made less relevant by overpopulation, just as the prohibition against eating pork and shellfish has been made irrelevant by refrigeration.

The Bible never addresses the issue of homosexual love, yet it does have several beautiful examples of same-sex love. David's love for Jonathan was said to exceed his love for women. (2 Samuel 1:26) Ruth's relationship with Naomi is an example of a deep, bonding love, and Ruth’s words of covenant to Naomi are often used in heterosexual wedding ceremonies. (Ruth 1:16-17) The Bible clearly values love between persons of the same sex.

Answer 6

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Answer 7

First off, the bible was written by man, not your god. It is just as flawed as the people who wrote it and translated it to their benefit. I could go on and on about this stuff, but I'm sure other people have already covered them.

Secondly, and my main reason for answering, NOT EVERYBODY IS CHRISTIAN! I for one am wiccan, a witch if you'd prefer. I don't follow your religious beliefs. There is no conflict between orientation and beliefs in wicca. The "Leviticus Laws" don't apply at all as far as I'm concerned because those "laws" are nothing more than toilet paper to me.

Answer 8

While you can assert anything you wish.

The Bible truly is fiction. The fact that you have not bothered to ascertain that, and are not actually willing to dialog rather than assert and declaim and use what you think are "cute" averments like "you are fiction too" (isn't it cute everyone, doesn't he show how intelligent and thoughtful he is by clearly demonstrating that he wouldn't bother with serious conversation with -- say -- someone trained in theology -- EVER.) indicates that you are some form of biblio-idolator. While a very present religion at the moment in America -- Biblio-idolatry, masquerading as a form of Christianity, has no place in the historic Church.

The canon of the Bible was not formalized until the Council of Carthage -- when it affirmed a resolution of the synod of Hippo recognizing a group of books drawn together and claimed as divine by Bishop Anathasius. Anathasius did not even coin the word canon until 327 and the Council of Carthage did not formalize the list approved by Hippo until the 390s, and then sent it on to "the Church across the sea" (Rome) for the Pope's approval.

There are no full copies of what is now considered scripture until the 4th century. There are two copies from the 4th century (Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus) together with hundreds of manuscript fragments of various forms (Papyrus and Vellum Manuscripts and Vellum Palimpsests). Overall there are over 5000 copies of at least part of the present canonical Bible that are from the sixth century or earlier. These range from a few verses to whole books, to Bibles that were read in churches. According to Dr. Bart Ehrman, one of the foremost experts in the world on Textual criticism and Textual reconstruction, those manuscripts have between them at least 200,000 differences. Some of those differences are minor, or meaningless -- but some are very important and would change core Christian doctrines like the Virgin birth of our Lord and his divinity -- among others.

One does not need to be an expert to see that the Bible is fiction, and not the Word of God however. Even the American Bible Society explains scriptural accreation as starting with Hebrew tribesmen telling stories around a campfire. That is exactly where the earliest parts of the Bible started -- then it was expanded through midrash and so forth.

Looking at the received texts, the idea of Sola Scriptura becomes evidently ludicrous. The Bible says that the world has corners (Isaiah 11:12) and that it sets on pillars (I Samuel 2:8). It says that God accepted a human sacrifice -- he may have prevented Isaac's, but he allowed a general to sacrifice his own daughter without even a murmur, the text giving tacit support to the idea that having given his word, the man had to kill his child. (Judges 11:30-39). It clearly maintains that genocide is often commanded by God (Joshua 10:40-42 and I Samuel 15: 2, 3 and 8) and that, after killing all the adults in a race, taking the female children as sex slaves is permissible (Numbers 31: 17-18).

The God revealed by the Bible is not only both a liar who doesn't know the natural laws of his own world, and a monster, as shown above -- but he has no real regard, even for his own people, whom he forces into cannibalism (Leviticus 26: 27-29) when he is mad at them; or his priests, whose faces he wipes with dung (Malachi 2:1-3).

It is not only gays and lesbians that are hated by bible-god. This monstrosity also suggests killing kids who eat or drink too much (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21), and says that if he is angry with parents he will kill their children (Leviticus 26:22) and he blames things upon children whose great-great-great grandfathers committed the things being blamed on the kids (Exodus 20: 5).

Putting it in a word, bible-god is a monstrosity, a horrific demiurge of evil. Something that even he admits ( Isaiah 45:7 ) [Furthermore, the word used in Hebrew for evil, the word ra' is widely conceded to mean a number of different things: It can mean "wickedness," "mischief," "bad," "trouble," "hurt," "sore," "affliction," "ill," "adversity," "harm," "grievous," and "sad." So no matter what particular interpretation is given of this word -- it has profoundly negative implications. The idea that god is sovereign over the affairs of man makes this even worse, because no matter what interpretation it has, it indicates that bible-god deliberately does harm.]; evil about which he sometimes changes his mind (Exodus 32:14). What a font of unchanging morality -- that almighty God can decide to kill an entire people, and then be talked out of it by a human servant... Furthermore, it is obvious, if God can change his mind, then even if the Bible were not full of errors and horrors, you could not trust that God had not changed his mind on any other issue in it.

So, yes, I suppose if one wants to take as truth a book that says that beetles have four legs instead of six (Leviticus 11: 21-23) and that rabbits chew their cud [which they do NOT] (Deuteronomy 14:7) and if you are willing to, having accepted it as truth, overlook the fact that bible-god routinely changed his mind (I can show you other instances if you wish) then yeah, I suppose its words would matter and gays are therefore going to hell.

I on the other hand, while a Christian (as in Christ follower) am NOT a literalist, and do not think that a book of bronze age myths owing heavily to the Sumerian and Egyptian myths in the Old Testament and to a collection of pagan faiths, particularly Mithraism in the New Testament matters at all.

Christianity is centered around love, faith in Christ, and Eucharist. At best the Bible is sacred because of its place in the life of the early church and should be regarded as holy myth -- stress on the myth. And what is a myth? It is fiction.

Regards,

Reynolds
Schenectady, NY
http://www.rebuff.org
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Answer 9

Gay people aren't the only ones who say that. Some Christians say that too. I'm sure there are laws in leviticus that you do today. Besides, the levitical law was given to the Israelites, not people today.

Answer 10

Do you eat pork, shellfish, or rabbit? Shave? Do any work at all on Saturday? Why?
Do you offer burnt offerings, force raped virgins to marry their attackers, stone married or engaged women raped within urban areas, or make women spend their period and post-partum bleed outside the community? Why not?

Those archaic rules are part of the *same* holiness code as 18:22. If it applies literally, so do they.