Assuming God is loving, just, omnipotent, and omniscient then do we deserve every punisment we recieve?

Question

If God is just and could create a world where punishment is only a result of us choosing to do an immoral action including previous lives then he would. So is it possible to create a world where the only evil a soul recieves is a result of its misdeeds?
Some problems I have are: We have the pain of hunger and thirst, that is how we were created. Going way back to first soul that was created he couldn't have had any previous sins where he would deserve the evil of hunger and thirst.
What about others free will are we subject to it? (I don't think so, because We are not physically able to do things even if we wanted to. For example I want to run faster a car. It is not possible. So if I want to hurt someone who is undeserving I may not be able to. Also some actions that are illogical are not within our free will. No one would eat their own feces with out a reason.
But couldn't someone being hurt as a result of their misdeeds hurt someone who is rightious. If my mom dided I'd be sad.

Answer 1

Big assumption that a Higher Power is monitoring and passing judgment on 6 billion souls on an on-going basis and dishing out punishment in a methodical way.
I think that you have articulated the paradox very well. Perhaps, we'd better see ourselves as just elements in a universal natural pattern. There are parameters but no absolutes. People even debate about the nature of death.

Answer 2

Though God is loving but sometimes the humans are mislead by their vague thoughts and someone has to show the way to truth and goodhead ,as every person in this world is a human so they cannot teach eachother so God tries to show the way bygiving punishments like our teacher or mother does to bring us back on the right track we can be right on our part but he is also justand doesnt allow any mishapening to us

Answer 3

Darling, God gave us all a free will. Now, in the natural, there are consquences for every action. Those consequences can be positive or negative. With this knowledge sometimes bad things happen to good people and good things can happen for bad people. Life is not about fairness. God set things into motion, we trust God, but that is all. It isn't that He is powerless....on the contrary...we respond to Him, and Him to us. It is about faith. It is about a relationship with Him. It is just that basic and simple. And only God knows why certain things happen, and the purpose will be revealed in time.

Answer 4

GOD does not at all distinguish from a good person or a bad person,He loves every body equally .He sees and knows every one's inner soul.He also knows what mistakes you have done for which you now get punishment,It is not given by HIM .It is our own bad acts from earlier birth.a rightious person will not get a curse ,May be one is taken back being a rightious one .Or one must have done some thing very bad earlier ,we can not know,so all should do good .never a bad deed .

Answer 5

I have no idea because I have no idea what God is. There are many people who are willing to tell me but their answers show only what their idea of God is. If God is anything you want him to be then I guess he can do anything you want him to.

Answer 6

Yeah, all the children who die in the first year of their life -- totally had it coming[1]! Those bastards!

Answer 7

Maybe the following would help read it thru though...


THERE IS A GOD ( science vs theology )
S C I E N C E V S . T H E O L O G Y

"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of
his new students to stand.


"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
"Yes, sir."
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."

He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a

sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help

them?

"Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you

could... in fact most of us would if we could...but God doesn't."


[No answer.]


"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer

even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm?

Can you answer that one?"


[No answer]


The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip

of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start

again, young fella."

"Is God good?"

"Er... Yes."

"Is Satan good?"

"No."

"Where does Satan come from?" The student falters.

"From... God..."


"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his
bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student
audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester,
ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian.


"Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil is everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"

"Yes."

"Who created evil?


[No answer]


"Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the

terrible things - do they exist in this world? "

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"Who created them? "


[No answer]


The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME,

PLEASE!"The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the

Christian's face. In a still small voice:

"God created all evil, didn't He, son?"


[No answer]


The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails.

Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom

like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.


"Tell me," he continues, "how is it that this God is good if He created all

evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his arms around to
encompass

the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain,
all

the torture, allthe death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this

good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"


[No answer]


"Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?"


Pause.


"Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and

whispers, "Is God good?"


[No answer]


"Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."

The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you

use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen

this Jesus?"


"No, sir. I've never seen Him"

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your

Jesus... in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God
whatsoever?"


[No answer]


"Answer me, please."

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"You're AFRAID... you haven't?"

"No, sir."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"...yes..."

"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling.

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,

science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

here is your God now?"


[The student doesn't answer]


"Sit down, please."

The Christian sits...Defeated.

Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the

class?"


The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the

vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."

The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you

are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as

heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"Is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No, sir, there isn't."


The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold.

The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more

heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we

don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero,

which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no

such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than -458.

You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We

cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is

energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."


Silence. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom.


"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"

"That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness?

What are you getting at...?"

"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes..."

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the

absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,

flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's

called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In

reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness

darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker

darkness, professor?"


Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him.


This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what

your point is, young man?"


"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed

to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."


The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!""

"Sir, may I explain what I mean?"


The class is all ears.


"Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to

regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to

silence the class, for the student to continue.


"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains.

"That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a

bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something

we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses

electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully

understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant

of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is

not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."


The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a

neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting

tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as
immorality?"

"Of course there is, now look..."


"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of

morality.


Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of

justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil

the absence of good?"


The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is

temporarily speechless.


The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and

we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a

work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing?

The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free

will, choose good over evil."


The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this

matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I

absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological

factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."


"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this

world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the

Christian replies.


"Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me,

professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"


"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,

yes, of course I do."


"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"


The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his

student a silent, stony stare.


"Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution

at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor,

are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but

a priest?"


"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical

discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.


"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"


"I believe in what is - that's science!"


"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you
rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too
is a premise which is flawed..."


"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.


The class is in uproar.


The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To
continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I
give you an example of what I mean?" The professor wisely keeps silent.



The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class
who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out in laughter.


The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there
anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the
professor's brain, tasted or smelt the professor's brain?" No one
appears to have done so. The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears
no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain
whatsoever.


Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science, I DECLARE that the professor has no brain."


The class is in chaos.

The Christian sits ... Because that is what a chair is for.