the conflict between our former president and president?

Question

is it the xhasa's against the Zulu's or it has nothing to do with that

(just wondering)

sorry imeant Former Deputy President Mr Zuma and Mr Mbeki

Answer 1

I'm not sure what you mean?
Historically, the Xhosa's and the Zulu's use to do a lot of fighting against each other over tribal and land dispute. But so did the Pedi, Sotho's and Tswana's.
In these modern days some Xhosa and Zulu still dislike each other (in my experience the Zulu's dislike anyone that's not Zulu)
Also Mandela is Xhosa, and if I recall right so is Mbeki, so any conflicts will be of a personal nature.

Answer 2

Hi there.

I personally think that Mbeki and Zuma are dealing with conflict between themselves because Zuma has been involved in many corruption scandals. I would agree with Mbeki in this case because you cant have a deputy president always going into court because somebody wants to sue Zuma for either corruption or rape and the list goes on! Zuma must go and should not be allowed to make any contact or have any dealings what so ever with South African politics/government etc. Read the following that i managed to get for you:

Mbeki was praised abroad and by some South Africans, but criticized by many ANC members, over his 2005 firing of the deputy president of South Africa, Jacob Zuma, after Zuma was implicated in a corruption scandal. In October of 2005, a few Zuma supporters went so far as to burn t-shirts with Mbeki's picture on them at one protest, inspiring condemnation from the ANC leadership. In late 2005, Zuma faced new rape charges in addition to the corruption charges, dimming his personal political prospects. However, Zuma's supporters' past suggestions of an Mbeki-led political conspiracy against Zuma and the visible split between Zuma supporters and Mbeki's allies in the party further exposed splits in the ANC.

Mbeki has sometimes been accused of hoping for a constitutional change which would allow a third term in office [21], a charge which he and other senior members of the ANC have always denied. In February 2006, Mbeki told the SABC that he and the ANC have no intention of changing the Constitution, and stated, "By the end of the 2009, I will have been in a senior position in government for 15 years. I think that's too long." [22] However, he has no clear successor within the ANC. The battle for who will occupy this position is likely to be intense; indeed, the Zuma saga can be seen as merely an early round of a political drama which has already begun, even as Mbeki's second term is not even halfway over.

I really dont think this has anything to do with xhasa's and the Zulu's at all.

Kim.

Answer 3

It could be that. But then surely Zuma would be more involved in the opposition traditionally zulu party?

or it could be that Mbeki does not want to lose power and as it is written in our constitution that a president may not have more serve more than 2 terms consecutively... so he has to make sure that his vice is portrayed in really shocking terms so that he gets the go ahead to change the constitution to have another term...

or maybe its because ol JZ is not fit to be president and Mbeki is trying to protect it.

or because both believe that the other is wrong and fight for the sake of it.

or because fighting with each others ensures that they dont actually have to deal with the real issues affecting this country.

Answer 4

I would think a lot has to do with Zuma being such an embarrassment to the ANC, government and South Africa, more so than anything ethnic.

He has been implicated in corruption around the weapons deal; he had been accused of rape and instead of behaving in a dignified manner while that trial was on, he caused even more embarrassment; he caused immeasurable harm to the fight against HIV/AIDS with his "shower after sex" prevention to HIV, etc. The list continues. And we will now have to wait to see what the corruption trial holds in store.

It is sad to see a leader fall like that in the eyes of his compatriots.
Personally I felt very sorry for Mbeki to be put in such an awkward position to have to fire/dismiss his own deputy.

I think interesting times are ahead for South African politics to see who will be the next president. How sad to hear that Cyril Ramaphosa might not be in the running. I think he would be an excellent leader.

So I do not think it has anything to do with ethnicity and those perceived underlying feelings, I think what has come to light about Zuma in the past 2-3 years and his own actions play a huge part in any conflict that might exist.

Answer 5

I think they disagree on who should be the next South African president. This has been an issue for a long time. Mandela didn't want Mbeki and Mbeki didn't want Zuma. And nobody knows anymore.

I dunno anymore ndemo.....life is so tough in SA and then the leaders start disagreeing!

Answer 6

Mbeki has no backbone. He hates that Zuma forced him to take a stand on soemthing and to fire him for corruption!!!

Answer 7

Are trying to stay South Africa has not grown as quick under Thabo Mbeki than you hoped.

Answer 8

Although I fully understand your question and how SA has developed ( or not ) since black independence, I am white and lived in Central and South Africa both pre and post independence.
I, along with my parents lived in many pre independent African countries and are saddened to see their decline after indepenence. Civil war, crime, starvation, lack of medical facilities, schools, farming etc. I spoke to many Africans after their independence and they all said it was better when white western styled governments ruled their. countries. I can only assume SA is feeling the same way.

Answer 9

ALL politicians argue. That's because deep down, they're all egomaniacs who believe they are the only ones who can possibly be right all the time.

Answer 10

clinton and bush are fighting? lol jk