the people who were arrested y/day are they british/muslim terrorosts or freeedom fighters?

Answer 1

If you disagree with the methods and policies of your home nation, there are a MULTITUDE of ways you can make your voice heard. Violence against innocent civilians who do not and have not provoked such violence has to be looked upon as an act to incite and exact terror on such civilians.

There are instances when the people of a nation are so subjugated to oppressive rule, legislated racism, degradation of human and civil rights, false imprisonment and a systematic policy of violence, dispossession and annihilation, that such people need and must fight, in standard and non-standard warfare, to raise the oppressive yoke from upon themselves.

THESE characters in the UK have experienced NONE of the above conditions. In fact, they likely enjoyed every freedom any reasonable Brit can expect, and some, like the FAILURE of the UK administration and press to isolate and identify the true environment that creates such terrorists, that most Brits do not.

I don't believe the Brits ever failed to identify and isolate the IRA as Irish terrorists. Didn't mean that all Irish were terrorists (of course they are not!), and it sure as heck didn't mean that all Irish supported terrorism (a great majority did not in the past and do not today). The inability or refusal of the UK gov't and press to identify the communities, religious institutions, backgrounds and nationalities of the suspects and the posthumously-found guilty terrorists (referring to 7/7/05) muddles the truth behind these acts.

There is a dissent within the Islamic communities of Western nations. This dissent may be against US/UK/FR/DE policies in the Middle East or in other Islamic nations or nations with large Islamic communities. That dissent can be reasonable and expected. THE METHOD of communicating that dissent, cannot, should not and will not consist of planned, pre-meditated, vindictive and life-consuming violence.

These men were exposed to a dogma, a training regimen, funding and directives from others outside the UK. These others come from nations where the use of terror, murder and torture are acceptable forms of enforcing and maintaining Islamic 'law' and 'culture'. Part of that law is what we know as 'jihad', which is basically warfare against ANYONE who does not subscribe to Muhammad as the prophet of Allah, and who does not adhere strictly not just to the Quran, but to the ruling sect's interpretation of the Quran's Islamic law, the sharia. These men, basically, attempted to carry out 'jihad' (WARFARE), justified by sharia (Islamic law), ordered by a fatwa (religious directive, often used to justify warfare within the precepts and prescriptions of sharia).

So, we look at about 20 FREE MEN (so freedom is not denied these men up until Wed. evening). We look at what they were attempting to do (coordinated attack on civilian targets, not military targets). We look at who they were funded by, and directed by (in both cases, likely, an external source, from a Muslim-dominated region, with a sharia-based hierarchy- either intra or supra governmental). These men were, or essentially thought of themselves, as warriors. They were conducting WARFARE, against non-Islamic people. (terrorists attack and kill the occasional Muslim- who they'll tell you has been hastened to heaven & paradise without the prerequisite of martyrdom, unless we're talking Iraq, where all that matters is what family and imam you pledge allegiance to).

So, if there are warriors within Western borders, who are funded by external sources, trained by them, directed by them, and their missions are carried out within these borders to exact harm on non-Islamic civilians, that's a bit more than terrorism, if we're being reasonable. The acts in Seattle last week, THAT may be terrorism (lone Muslim with mental problems seeking revenge on ANY person of Jewish descent, regardless of political affiliation or culpability). The plans drawn and about to be carried out in the UK, that's warfare- beyond crime, beyond terror, beyond consipiracy. These are trained individuals, using asymmetric warfare, against their HOME COUNTRY. Some may even coin this as a CIVIL WAR, where internal Islamic elements (supported by some or all of their community infrastructure) are attempting to destabilize their HOME GOVERNMENT.

These acts must be punished, SEVERELY. The supporters of these men must be identified, captured, tried and hopefully punished, SEVERELY. These acts are treasonous, subversive and proxy attacks by external Islamic forces (as I said, intra or supra governmental, meaning state-sponsored or NGO-sponsored acts) who seek to defeat, occupy and convert Western societies to their own form of Islam.

The supporting history, policy, justification by Islamic law and tactics are all externally provided and maintained. (research Walid Shoebat's education as an example of what is taught to Islamic children in Islamic schools at a young age).

The source of the threat is not just the tactician of the act (the DOER), but also the greater support network (within and outside UK). That threat must be called out, investigated and neutralized, or we should be content living in a reactive world where these acts are more likely to occur than be thwarted.

This is a movement that goes beyond terror, beyond crime, beyond dissent. It is an act of war. We can only hope our defenses realize it as such, and act accordingly.

Answer 2

To me, "freedom fighters" refers to people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King who "fight for freedom" without killing or injuring or directing hatred/violence at any civiilians irrespective of their race or nationality. You don't have to fight with violence. Both Gandhi and MLK achieved their objectives through non violent protest, whereas the IRA tried killing civillians and it got them nowhere. Ireland is still not united is it? They just turned many people against them who might have otherwise sympathised and supported their cause.

Noone who targets unarmed civillians including women and children can be called a "freedom fighter" or anything more than a murdering terrorist. If the IRA or Al Quaida want to fight soldiers with guns - soldier to soldier - thats one thing, at least its a fair fight. But exploding a bomb in a shopping centre full of women and kids is just evil and deplorable!!! How does that make anyone "free"? Its bully tactics. Picking on the weak. It just generates more hatred and achieves NOTHING for their "cause".

Its pointless asking this question really. All the lefties and muslims will say freedom fighters (whether they would agree if these terrorists blew up THEIR loved ones remains to be seen) and the sane people who are horrified by the idea of slaughtering innocent civvies call them terrorists.

You can talk about Bush and Blair and Israel all you like but two wrongs do NOT make a right. Just because Israel is bombing civvies in Lebanon does NOT make it "OK" to bomb civvies in other countries. Whats so hard to understand about that?

I call them terrorists and murderers.

Unless Islam can produce a character like Gandhi or MLK who will "fight" through non violence and leadership and humanity then the terrorists will waste their lives (and those of their victims) for nothing.

Answer 3

This is a phonetic question. Freedom fighters are not terrorists. Terrorists are people that deliberately wreak terror amongst the general population to undermine that society. They hit 'soft targets like innocent civilians. Freedom fighters are people on the ground fighting a supressing regime. Such as in the Sudan (and elswhere). They fight a war against people who are trying to kill them, one on one. So the people caught in the UK would be terrorists but the muslims fighting a ground war in Iraq would be freedom fighters.

Answer 4

They are just terrorists plain and simple.They dont care who they target and they give a bad name to all the decent hard working muslims in the UK whom im sure despise them as much as anyone else.They say they are British yet hate everything we stand for...although im sure they are more than happy to work here,claim benefits here and get housing here so in my book they are nothing but hypochrites using religion as a way of hiding the fact that they are just a bunch of nasty cowerds.Im sure that the Koran as well as any other holy book does not accept what they are doing as right,nor do the decent people living here in the UK,regardless of religion,race or creed

Answer 5

Planning to kill a lot of innocent people are not Freedom Fighters. They are terrorists.

Answer 6

Doesn't matter. They were stopped, as they should have been. Believe what you want about labels, but no innocents are entitled to die because their prospective murderers might have a righteous cause behind thier murderous intent.

Answer 7

Freedom fighters do not set out to kill innocent people.

Answer 8

"Today's terrorist is tomorrow's statesman" used to be a widely used axiom (witness Nelson Mandela), but to me they're just psychotic, brainwashed killers. But remember, 6,000 people died in Iraq last month, so what does that say about our governments?

Answer 9

Islamic terrorists, not Muslim terrorists, certainly not freedom fighters - whose freedom are they fighting for?

Answer 10

If they were freedom fighters they were attacking the syptoms and not the cause.

Answer 11

I cant be certain but i`m sure i heard on the news that they were British.