My boyfriend is a Conspiracy Theorist! Can someone please help me win this argument.?

Question

We were doing what most were doing yesterday..discussing the foiled attack. I made the mistake of saying "well, all the republicans are set to win in November." Meaning, times like this unite the nation a bring about a conservative voting process.

He then goes on for the next 30 minutes about how Bush was behind 9/11 and this foiled attack as well....each for election purposes. He rattled off about how the twin towers fell like a planned demolition, how the planes were too small, how we didn't intercept the planes before they hit, how the black box was never found, how the owner of the WTC bought an new ins policy right before the attacks, etc, etc!

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Bush fan. I don't believe everything I hear, either. I'm not shocked the attack was foiled right after the primary. But Bush orchestrating it all?? That's not something I am buying. Please help! Serious responses only please. He's not a dumb man. Quite intellectual actually. Honors student/CPA.

Answer 1

I just find it hard to swallow that such a supposedly corporate-friendly, pro-business, cunning administration would stage an attack that was so financially ruinous. Why attack the World Trade Center, the financial hub of American capitalism, if you are serving corporate paymasters?

IF the government was going to stage an attack on America for nefarious purposes, they didn't need to do something as expensive and destructive as attacking the World Trade Center. Why wouldn't they have done something just as deadly, but less destructive, like releasing a poisonous gas or attacking a non-commercial monument? A thousand people killed and the Statue of Liberty destroyed would have elicited just as much rage and fear from Americans, certainly enough for the Government to get whatever it was they are supposed to be after.

Furthermore, if it was orchestrated by the government, why would they leave behind so many loose ends? Why wouldn't they have shot down one of the planes, to inspire confidence in the President? Why didn't Bush respond more resolutely upon hearing the news, instead of appearing stunned while reading to children, leaving himself open to criticism?

You don't even have to get into the specifics of demolition physics, the insurance policies, or the video evidence. It just doesn't make sense for the government to have used such a needlessly destructive attack if their goal was just to start a war or curb civil liberties. A much simpler, much less expensive attack would have sufficed, and an orchestrated attack would have had a much smoother response.

Answer 2

A person, regardless of how stupid and greedy he is would have to be pretty sick to PLAN such an attack against his own people. Even hitler wouldn't have done that to his own people.

The planes that hit the world trade center were all international flights meaning they had full tanks at take off, there were 3 of em. The reason they weren't intercepted is because the attacks occured minutes after the planes took off, no one even knew if it was an attack or an accident after the first plane hit until the second one hit also. The reason the WTC fell is because the burning fuel melted the support beams holding up the upper half of the tower and even though these buildings are built to withstand fire, burning at close to 1000 degrees no steel could handle that. If you watch the videos closely, the upper half of the towers started crumbling first, right above the points where the planes hit. In a controlled demolition, the charges are set on the lower floors and the building being demolished implodes starting at the lower floors with the upper ones following it. It was the fire caused by the burning fuel of the planes that caused the towers to come down.

One can easily argue that the bush administration and maybe even bush had early warnings about the attack and they dissmissed it at did nothing. One can also argue that since then, the bush administration likes to exaggerate plots against the united states. However, there is absolutely no valid arguement that can be made for Bush, or anyone else within the government planning such an attack against the American people.

Answer 3

There are a surprising number of people who ascribe to the same conspiracy theory about the Twin Towers that your boyfriend believes. Many of them are very educated people.

You see, some people don't accept what's plausible on the surface. They peel the onion. When you start doing that, you get into some very convoluted thought processes.

You aren't going to be able to win this argument. Here's why.

Bush would have to be uncaring and corrupt, to kill a whole lot of people for gain. He is.

There would have to be people in his camp capable of orchestrating such a horrific plot. There are.

Bush would have to be willing to lie to the public, and manipulate public opinion in an exploitative way, to do such a thing. Hello.

Bush would have to have an incredibly powerful, wealthy machine behind him to pull the kind of strings necessary to keep such a plot hidden. He has that.

I'm not saying your boyfriend is right. But it's not an unbelieveable scenario. If you believe that unscrupulous people are capable of such cold-bloodedness, it beomes even more believeable. Most people just don't think an American President, no matter how bad, could possibly be that evil. After all, we're the good guys. Right?

You might have a chance at a draw, if you simply make the case that with such a clumsy, inept egotist as George W as a front man, the chances would be too great that he'd blow it. He'd have to be very closely guarded, and handled. Oh, wait...

Answer 4

yes yes, the idea that bush is behind this all is a bit absurd. but he is a small part of a big machine. do you believe things you hear about secret societies? Have you read Bush's book where he writes "In my senior year of college i joined a secret society so secret that i can't say anything more about it."?
now I'm no conspiracy theorist myself, but that's because i believe that there are so many sick things that our leaders are involved in that they're all corrupt and it just might be that they want absolute power. There are many ways to do this, some of which HAVE TO BE viewed all over the world, like the London plot foiling. did bush do it? did third generation Brits do it? who knows? Me? You? Your boyfriend? NO! We are here only to speculate. We are not trying to gain power ourselves therefore we are not a threat to the establishment. And so to the powerful it really doesn't matter what we think. If they don't get our votes, they'll still win. Voting doesn't work, especially when 40% of the people in this country have so little faith in the voting process that they don't even vote. Conspiracy? What a negative word for such a great pursuit of knowledge
sorry if i didn't help and you're welcome if i did.

Answer 5

Bush was never an active participant (he was given the title King for his efforts after 9/11). It was done by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Myers, and bin-Laden.

June of 01 saw a change in SOP for dealing with errant aircraft; what was once a local commander's decision became a decision only the VP or President could make. And remember Bush was in a motorcade where the communications equipment failed.

Bush claimed (twice) to have seen the first tower struck though there was no live footage of the first strike. How could that be?

Watch a couple of controlled demolitions and then watch WTC 7 collapse. Notice they are similar?

PNAC (1997 statement) called for a new "Pearl Harbor type" of incident in order to rally American support for the imposition of their Pax Americana.

bin-Laden was CIA before there was an al-Queda.

Your boyfriend is right. The attack was carried out by domestic/foreign enemies of the United states.

Answer 6

Tell him the towers fell as designed...yeah that's right DESIGNED. The pentagon wasn't sure if it was a drill or not, and the owner purchased a new insurance agreement because the last one wouldn't cover terrorism, and after the attempt in 93 wanted to insure it for that. Most policies don't cover for this. The heat was more intensive than a normal plane crash that not much of anything was recovered. As far as finding chemicals that are used in demolitions....these same chemicals are used by lots of products..not just explosives.

Answer 7

Very simple. Ask him if he believes Bush is a smart man, and ask him if he believes bush is a good speaker. Then ask him if he actually thinks Bush could continue to lie and talk about the events of 911 for this long with out having a slip up here or there and letting cat out of the bag.

Answer 8

There is nothing you can do just say your wrong and walk away. Some Liberals are dead set on the fact that there was a conspiracy much like your dead set on the fact that there wasn't. But if this helps let me just tell you there was no conspiracy and thats a fact . And next time you talk about tell him that hundreds of Americans died that day, and hundreds more of American families felt an imaginable lose and for him to politicize that is wrong!

Answer 9

Your boyfriend's intellect is not in doubt, but he needs a better student I feel ;)

Most people cannot imagine the lengths the ruling elites will go to, to increase their power, money, and control.

Dubya's puppeteers policies are not new :-

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Hermann Göring(Nazi) 1946 Nuremberg Trials

The US. Government has lied about many wars. The increase of troops in Vietnam was based on an attack in the Tonkin Gulf that never happened. Some say that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor and let it happen to get support to join World War Two. The Spanish-American War (Remember the Maine!) was also based on a hoax.
Not to mention the numerous covert wars that they lied about. Iran-Contra, the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran, Allende in Chile, Arbenz in Guatemala. Also the war in Panama, against someone who was on the payroll of the CIA. Cuba as well. The Bay of Pigs invasion was supported by the CIA, and the people who invaded were trained by the CIA in Guatemala.

As for 9/11 this is the origin of the plan:-
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
David Rockefeller: Statement to the Untied Nations Business Council in September 1994

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with other around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefellers memoirs (2002)

And this is what Dubya's puppeteers had to say in 2000;-
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor"
Project for the New American Century (2000)


Which brings into question 9/11/(2001), which was never investigated properly, and has been hijacked in order to enact Dubya's agenda and the subsequent illegitimate wars.
The 9/11 documentary Loose Change 2nd edition is available free on Youtube:-

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGEb40o17yE&search=loose%20change%202nd%20edition

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOVWBQKUpsU&search=loose%20change%202nd%20edition

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtV1uxYnu0w&search=loose%20change%202nd%20edition

Decide for yourselves people ;)


I do agree with Dubya on one thing:-

"I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is for us to go around the world saying, "We do it this way. So should you."
"I think the United States must be humble and must be proud and confident of our values, but humble in how we treat nations that are figuring out how to chart their own course."
George W. Bush - 2nd presidential debate Oct 11th 2000

Answer 10

Why would Bush want to kill so many people in his own country?
That doesn't make sense. But the terrorists could have set up bombs in the twin towers before it happened.
I'm a Bush fan.-He's my homie.