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Since I'm sure an overwhelming majority of girls will say no, I wonder why the whole hypocrisy of many females' preachy - "Oh I wouldnt abort a baby with down syndrome - They are sooo special - Lord Baby Jesus gave me this special child" statements. If a man with down syndrome is not gonna ever get laid then isn't life just a cruel joke to him? How does he develop a loving sexually romantic relationship? Personally, if I was gonna be retarded I would wish that my mom would have aborted me. I know that sex surely isnt everything - but life for retards must be a huge hurdle - Never being able to play a music instrument proficiently or do complex math or study linguistics or any of the hard sciences or arts. This must make life boring for them as well.
It's probably the cruelest thing in the world to give life to something that DOES NOT HAVE THE CHANCE to fully experience life.......I'm surprised that sooo few people have this kind of compassion for these poor souls.

2006-08-09 20:53:15 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Pregnancy & Parenting Pregnancy

No this is not a 'sick question" - its a completely valid question.

And no Im not retarded at all - IQ =145

Theres a hypocrisy in saying that you "truly love people with down syndrome" while not loving them enough to even have sex with them.

2006-08-09 21:09:22 · update #1

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Down syndrome fetuses should be aborted, and down syndrome babies should be euthanized. There's no use in keeping them alive, for they will never have a normal, happy life.

No, I would NEVER screw a guy with down syndrome.

And for the pro-life idiots:

Pregnancy should be a choice. How can somebody force a woman to carry an unwanted child? That is abuse. NOBODY can and/or should be forced to physically do something they don't approve of. Carrying a child for 9 months requires alot of PHYSICAL and EMOTIONAL energy and strength. Being pregnant is not as easy or as pleasant as some may think. Being pregnant means being EMOTIONALLY and FINANCIALLY ready to have a child. Why would somebody even think about having a child when they are on the verge of going bankrupt, living on the streets, and not being able to support themselves? How can you expect them to support a living, breathing child emotionally and physically? Why would you introduce a child to such a miserable life? They are better off dead. Poverty sticken people have the right to have sexual pleasure and sometimes, even if protection is used, mistakes happen; That does NOT mean that they should be bringing a child into this world.
Abortion is also an option for the more financially secure people. Accidents ALWAYS happen; Condoms can break, Birth control is not 100% effective, and sometimes people just forget to use protection or don't have protection at the time. That does NOT mean that they should have an unwanted child. Something else which has happened many times is RAPE. Many girls have been raped in the past and were forced to carry a child. That is the stupidest thing ever! How does that make any sense? Why should somebody be forced to carry a child which is the product of RAPE? Why would somebody even want to mother a criminal's child which is only alive because of a TRAUMATIZING experience? That's insane! Abortion is not wrong. Anybody who says "Abortion is murder" is an ignorant fool who should use their brain and THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BIBLE. Abortion is not murder. [ MURDER- Noun. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. ] THIS IS COMMON SENSE: How can abortion be considered "murder" when the fetus was never even born? If the "baby" is not breathing and living on its own, without the the help of the mother's body, It can not be "murdered". Somebody can not be murdered untill they are born! It just does not make sense to call it "murder".
Most pregnancies are terminated before the fetus is even visible. How can it be considered murder when the fetus is almost invisible? The fetus can not feel a thing therefore nobody can say it is "wrong". Even if the fetus is already visible, "living", and breathing, it is not a REAL life. Think about it this way: If you took a 4 month old fetus out of the body of a woman, it would NOT be able to survive on its own. It is only a REAL life when the baby is viable; when it can survive on its own without the help of the mother's body...Otherwise, it is just a potential at life and NOTHING ELSE.
Even I admit that abortion during the third trimester is WRONG. For example: If you took a 7 1/2 or 8 month old baby out of a mother's body, as opposed to a four month old fetus (as I mentioned above), it is more than just a potential at life, it IS life. That 7-8 month old fetus has the chance of surviving outside of the mother's body at that early of an "age" (with medical assistance, of course) while the four month old fetus has NO chance at survival no matter how much medical assistance is provided.
Anyway, This is not about the fetus, about what it can "feel", or about what's right or wrong, It's about the Mother. A woman's body is a woman's body and NOBODY can force her to do something she doesn't want to do with her body. When a woman is pregnant, it is still HER body and ONLY her body and she can do whatever she wants with it. A woman should not be forced to go through 9 months of Physical and emotional discomfort for something that will be born into a ****** up, unwanted child. Forced pregnancies will only give the child a bad life. The child won't have sufficent love, emotional, physical, and [in some cases] financial support. This child will most likely not have a quality life and does not deserve to go through so many difficulties. The mother also does not deserve to have to deal with an unwanted child; She should not have to waste time, money, and energy to raise an unwanted child which was brought into this world by force. It is NOT fair.
Also, It is NOT about the fetus! It's about the mother! Who cares about the fetus? Since when is a tiny piece cells and tissue that can NOT feel anything more important than a grown woman? NEVER! Women are more important!

Something important:Men do NOT have the right to stop a woman from getting an abortion. Abortion is ONLY the woman's business because it is HER body and HER choice and any man's opinion does NOT count; he does not have the right to stop the woman from getting an abortion and/or judge and critisize a woman who has had an abortion, has considered getting an abortion, or one who will get one in the future. How dare a man even say that abortion is wrong when he is a MAN? He will NEVER IN HIS LIFE get pregnant. Men don't have the slightest clue about what it is like to be a woman. How can a man say abortion is wrong when he doesn't nor will he ever understand the phyiscal and emotional difficulty of pregnancy? IT JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. If you're a man, I suggest you SHUT THE **** UP and GET A CLUE; The day your penis turns into a vagina and your body changes to accomodate a child inside your stomach, you will have the right to talk about abortion...Too bad that will never happen so shut the **** up. You never will have to carry a child and i'm 100% sure no man would ever want to, so why do you all assume that a WOMAN would want to?

Another big issue: Abortion is none of anybody's business aside from the mother. If all you brainwashed, brainless, ignorant, stupid, highschool drop-out, trailer trash, bible freak, pro-life whores are so anti abortion then don't get an abortion! It's THAT easy. Just worry about yourself and leave everybody else alone! Stay out of everybody's business. If we want to "kill" fetuses, then we can. It's our business, so go get a life and stay out of our lives.

Also, Many people say: "Why would you kill a child when you can just give it up for adoption? There are so many people who want children but can't have any."
That is the stupidest thing ever! Why should somebody have to suffer for 9 months? Why would they want to carry a child for no reason? Going through so much emotional and physical discomfort for 9 months is pointless if you will just go back to your life as if nothing happened and you will have no affiliation with the child afterwards...You will be thinking: "What did I just waste the last 9 months of my life doing? I could have accomplished so much in those 9 months. I can't believe I went through so much pain just to bring a child into this world whom I will never see again. etc etc"
It is a waste of time! You are only making YOUR life worse.

Even if you do go through 9 months of pregnancy to carry an unwanted child, You WON'T want to give it up for adoption after you see it. It's not that easy. Do you really think that you can give a child away after you've gone through so much to give it life and after you've had it come out of you, held it, heard it cry, etc? NO! Even if it was an unwanted child, It's not THAT easy! After it is born, You will want it.

BUT...Let's say that you DO give it up for adoption, Don't be so sure that somebody will adopt it. Please remember that there are SO many foster homes with children who have been living there for years and have been waiting for a family to adopt them. There are plenty of children in this world who don't have families, so whoever says "There are so many parents who can't have children but want children and there aren't enough in this world" are idiots! Look around you, this world is so overpopulated! Go to your local foster home and you'll see so many sad children without families. Why don't you adopt them all since you're so "Pro-life"?
The world does not need anymore unwanted children. There is not an 100% chance that you child will be adopted. If there were an 100% chance, then there wouldn't be SO many children out there without families.


Why abortion is LEGAL, should REMAIN LEGAL, and why abortion is RIGHT:

1. Laws against abortion kill women. To prohibit abortions does not stop them. When women feel it is absolutely necessary, they will choose to have abortions, even in secret, without medical care, in dangerous circumstances. In the two decades before abortion was legal in the U.S., it's been estimated that nearly a million women per year sought out illegal abortions. Thousands died. Tens of thousands were mutilated. All were forced to behave as if they were criminals.

2. Legal abortions protect women's health. Legal abortion not only protects women's lives, it also protects their health. For tens of thousands of women with heart disease, kidney disease, severe hypertension, sickle-cell anemia and severe diabetes, and other illnesses that can be life-threatening, the availability of legal abortion has helped avert serious medical complications that could have resulted from childbirth. Before legal abortion, such women's choices were limited to dangerous illegal abortion or dangerous childbirth.

3. A woman is more than a fetus. Some people argue these days that a fetus is a "person" that is "indistinguishable from the rest of us" and that it deserves rights equal to women's. On this question there is a tremendous spectrum of religious, philosophical, scientific, and medical opinion. It's been argued for centuries. Fortunately, our society has recognized that each woman must be able to make this decision, based on her own conscience. To impose a law defining a fetus as a "person," granting it rights equal to or superior to a woman's — a thinking, feeling, conscious human being — is arrogant and absurd. It only serves to diminish women.

4. Being a mother is just one option for women. Many hard battles have been fought to win political and economic equality for women. These gains will not be worth much if reproductive choice is denied. To be able to choose a safe, legal abortion makes many other options possible. Otherwise an accident or a rape can end a woman's economic and personal freedom.

5. Outlawing abortion is discriminatory. Anti-abortion laws discriminate against low-income women, who are driven to dangerous self-induced or back-alley abortions. That is all they can afford. But the rich can travel wherever necessary to obtain a safe abortion.

6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society. If there is any matter that is personal and private, then pregnancy is it. There can be no more extreme invasion of privacy than requiring a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. If government is permitted to compel a woman to bear a child, where will government stop? The concept is morally repugnant. It violates traditional American ideas of individual rights and freedoms.

7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will bear children. Forty percent of 14-year-old girls will become pregnant before they turn 20. This could happen to your daughter or someone else close to you. Here are the critical questions: Should the penalty for lack of knowledge or even for a moment's carelessness be enforced pregnancy and childrearing? Or dangerous illegal abortion? Should we consign a teenager to a life sentence of joblessness, hopelessness, and dependency?

8. "Every child a wanted child." If women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, the result is unwanted children. Everyone knows they are among society's most tragic cases, often uncared-for, unloved, brutalized, and abandoned. When they grow up, these children are often seriously disadvantaged, and sometimes inclined toward brutal behavior to others. This is not good for children, for families, or for the country. Children need love and families who want and will care for them.

9. Choice is good for families. Even when precautions are taken, accidents can and do happen. For some families, this is not a problem. But for others, such an event can be catastrophic. An unintended pregnancy can increase tensions, disrupt stability, and push people below the line of economic survival. Family planning is the answer. All options must be open.

At the most basic level, the abortion issue is not really about abortion. It is about the value of women in society. Should women make their own decisions about family, career, and how to live their lives? Or should government do that for them? Do women have the option of deciding when or whether to have children? Or is that a government decision? The anti-abortion leaders really have a larger purpose. They oppose most ideas and programs that can help women achieve equality and freedom. They also oppose programs that protect the health and well-being of women and their children.

Anti-abortion leaders claim to act "in defense of life." If so, why have they worked to destroy programs that serve life, including prenatal care and nutrition programs for dependent pregnant women? Is this respect for life?

Anti-abortion leaders also say they are trying to save children, but they have fought against health and nutrition programs for children once they are born. The anti-abortion groups seem to believe life begins at conception, but it ends at birth. Is this respect for life?

Then there are programs that diminish the number of unwanted pregnancies before they occur: family planning counseling, sex education, and contraception for those who wish it. Anti-abortion leaders oppose those, too. And clinics providing such services have been bombed. Is this respect for life?

Such stances reveal the ultimate cynicism of the compulsory pregnancy movement. "Life" is not what they're fighting for. What they want is a return to the days when a woman had few choices in controlling her future. They think that the abortion option gives too much freedom. That even contraception is too liberating. That women cannot be trusted to make their own decisions.

Americans today don't accept that. Women can now select their own paths in society, including when and whether to have children. Family planning, contraception, and, if need be, legal abortion are critical to sustaining women's freedom. There is no going back.

2006-08-09 21:30:40 · answer #1 · answered by Stella 4 · 3 9

Not getting into whether I would have a Down's Syndrome child...but there are various levels of impairment. Some Down's kids are very functional, hold down jobs, live independently or semi independently, are very healthy. Others can have heart problems, trachs, infections, early deaths, will need caretakers for life. There are higher functioning Down's kids that have relationships, hold down jobs, even marry.

They don't miss complex math or hard sciences or arts any more than my 6 y/o does. That's a silly statement. They are at a certain developmental level and they don't know or care about the same things you do. They experience in a life that most of us don't and it's not always a bad thing. They are generally cheery, good natured, loving, sweet, affectionate people. Simpleminded with simple needs does not = not worth living.

2006-08-09 22:30:32 · answer #2 · answered by BabyRN 5 · 2 0

First off, there are varying degrees of Downs Syndrome. Some DS children can and do function in normal society. Look at the movies. How many actors are there currently that have downs syndrome? One in fact, if I am not mistaken, has won an academy award for best supporting actor.

Second since when does sex have anything to do with love and romance? You can love and be romantic without ever having sex.

Third iin regards to life being a cruel joke for these children. The only creul joke in these children are people who don't investigate their questions before they make blanket answers.

I work with downs syndrome children, boys especially. I have been a Scoutmaster of a special needs unit. I have seen 13 of my young men with downs syndrome make Eagle Scout. That's right 13. Granted some concessions where made for these Scouts to earn their Eagles, but for the most part they earned the rank of Eagle Scout just like any other boy in the United States.

I have learned so much from these young men. I have learned that mental disabilities aside, they are contributing members of society. That they have interests that, at times seem dumb, but for them are thier entire world.

Humans do not need sex to survive. The ability to do complex math problems, or to play a musical instrument, or to study linguistics, may be beyond there grasp. But then they are beyond the grasp of the lions share of the population as well.

And yes they do expierence life. Much more life than you give yourself.

By the way an IQ is not a true measurement of retardation or lack thereof and my IQ is higher at 199

2006-08-09 21:13:28 · answer #3 · answered by mikeae 6 · 4 2

How do you know what goes through a retarded person's head? For all we know, they could be perfectly happy doing whatever it is they do. Until you've been retarded or had downs syndrome, you really can't form an educated opinion. I'm betting that they don't care about sex. Honestly, too much emphasis is put on it, anyway, if you ask me. There's more to life than having sex. I don't think your question is sick or retarded or dumb...just really, really immature. You need to grow up. 10 years from now, you'll look back on this question and say, "Geez, what a dumb@ss I was!"

2006-08-10 02:30:38 · answer #4 · answered by brevejunkie 7 · 0 1

wow, if your wife/girlfriend were pregnant and your child had down syndrome you would make her abort it? I would hope that she would leave you for that. and life for (RETARDS and you so poorly choose words to use) probably isn't as bad as you think it is. How do you REALLY know what life is for people with mental disabilities. It's like saying that little people have the worst lives ever because they're little. I knew a mentally disabled girl and she had a boyfriend, yes he was disabled also but it doesn't matter to them. Those are the people that they relate to because they're the same. like I'm sure you relate to the blonde ditzie girls who go on girls gone wild because theyre drunk and don't know any better.... You've come to the wrong place to start ****. when you are a pregnant woman you love that baby more than anything in the world no matter if it has downs or not. You will continue to love it and cherish that baby as you would any other child you have.

just remember its not just the women who cause their children to have disabilities its the men also and their family history.

But you will never understand what it's like to have a life that you've created growing inside you.. and when you read small things like "I can't wait to be your mom" you cry because of how happy you are you have that little baby inside of you.

learn to be a man

2006-08-09 21:06:02 · answer #5 · answered by Rinne 3 · 4 2

MEN with Down's Syndrome are STERILE. Therefore, a girl having sex with a guy that has DS has no risk of having children with the disorder (or any children at all).

Women with DS can have children, but there is a 50% chance that the baby will have DS.

*One more point: Marilyn vos Savant's IQ is 228. (Though on different tests, the scores are different.) She has the highest IQ on record.

2006-08-09 21:18:24 · answer #6 · answered by Aemilia753 4 · 4 1

First of all I suggest you pick up a book or two on DOWN'S Syndrome and learn something. You obviously have no clue.
You say IF you were going to be retarded...in my opinion you ARE retarded.

2006-08-09 20:59:56 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 3 1

There are some cold hearted people out there.
I would never abort a baby because of Down's. He/she would still be my child. Raising that child may be a bit more difficult, but worthwhile, nonetheless. I know people who have children with disabilites (one has autism) and they all love their children, regardless of mental shortcomings. You and Scarlett are shallow, cold, heartless people.

2006-08-10 02:28:40 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

I wouldn't have sex with an enormous number of people for a variety of reasons. So, sex is the biggest priority in determining quality of life?? How incredibly shallow...

2006-08-10 03:38:06 · answer #9 · answered by mylittletribe 3 · 1 2

well... if you meet girl who have it, it would possible and maybe not possible to get it. cuz u and the girl s genetic together mix to make a baby. so baby 50 and 50 that can have it or cant have it. also, your family's generation "your many family in the past" and the girl's family generation anyone have it or not have it. if yes, maybe yes or no. if both of you and both of your families never have it then most percent will not have it.

2006-08-09 21:09:10 · answer #10 · answered by chunmccain 1 · 0 4

In some countries that is called rape. The person can not defend himself / herself. Can not judge between right and wrong.
If a girl does that, she must have a screw loose!!

2006-08-09 20:59:47 · answer #11 · answered by dremafreytal 2 · 1 2

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