"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets." Voltaire
I'm not going to speculate where they'll end up in the grand scheme of things as I consider myself Agnostic. I just wanted to post this quote as it's one of my favorites. And I hope no one takes it too literally as 'I' personally believe this wasn't something he said to justify the killing in wars, but it was more something he said to be critical of it. Killing 'is' wrong. I'd like to think that killing in self-defense is excusable. Not sure that's how things work though. Especially in the case of us, The United States, going over there and fighting. Don't get me wrong. I think they're doing the right thing in the sense that they're being loyal to their country. I just wish their country would take better care of them. Like by bringing them home.
2006-08-09 10:47:50
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answered by Olivia B 6
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Interesting answers indeed. To quote from above "Really, religion was necessary before people could read and think and compare." If that is true why would any of us do what is right, obviously there are no consequences. Only the strong survive:)
Here is a more complete answer for the Biblical perspective on war and more can be read at http://www.carm.org/questions/war.htm:
War is a state of declared, open, and armed conflict between two or more nations. It is sometimes undertaken in self defense as when the U.S. entered WWII as a result of Japan attacking Pearl Harbor. Other times, however, nations unjustly go to war to take spoils from other countries. Murder, on the other hand, is an unlawful taking of life and is always wrong. When nations go to war, it is declared lawful by the countries going to war -- sometimes for moral reasons and other times for immoral reasons. Therefore, an immoral war could be considered a form of murder where a moral war could be in self defense. But not all war is wrong.
It is difficult to determine when war would be a righteous endeavor given that leaders of nations are not Christian and could easily have ungodly reasons for going to war. Nevertheless, war is an unfortunate reality in this world and it causes great destruction, misery, and loss of life. It should be avoided if possible and undertaken only as a last resort.
The Bible teaches that we have the right to self defense Exodus 22:2: "If the thief is caught while breaking in, and is struck so that he dies, there will be no blood guiltiness on his account." The Bible also tells us to protect the innocent, Deut. 19:10, "So innocent blood will not be shed in the midst of your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, and blood guiltiness be on you." Also, see "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin," (Deut. 24:16). If we were to apply these principles to war, I would conclude that war is justifiable when it is in self defense and/or when it is to protect the innocent. Therefore, a Christian could rightfully engage in war given those conditions.
2006-08-09 18:19:00
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answered by cglsr123 1
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Damn right they will!
I know it's harsh but seriously , what's the point?
Its not the murderers who are killed in wars.. it's the innocent people like us. I Believe that some people join armies with varying intentions and I don't necessarily think all will go to hell.. simply because i believe in forgiveness. But forgiveness only comes from feeling sorry for what has been done in the first place.
2006-08-09 18:06:00
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answered by chinch 2
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Interesting answers. Revealing.
So to those Christians above who tell me killing is OK if you ask for forgiveness: does that mean
I could kill anyone I wanted and ask to receive Christ and I'd be OK?
What's the point of bothering to follow the commandments if that's true?
Could it be that Christians have created the ultimate rationalization for living badly with this?
Me, I know killing is wrong without having to be commanded by a god. I know because I would not want to be killed myself. It's really that simple.
And I know if I did wantonly kill, there would be no forgiveness in my own heart, and that's what matters to me: knowing I have done right without help from the outside. Real moral judgement, not coerced by fear of hell and damnation. Doing right because it is obviously right.
Really, religion was necessary before people could read and think and compare. Now if we depend on it to tell us right from wrong, that is a great moral weakness in my opinion.
2006-08-09 17:59:31
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answered by Anonymous
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The “just war” doctrine requires rigorous consideration to determine if defense by military force is legitimate.
Offensive war is never justified.
All the following considerations must be true to justify war:
1. The damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
2. All other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
3. There must be serious prospects of success;
4. The use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated.
With love in Christ.
2006-08-10 01:15:36
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answered by imacatholic2 7
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Logically speaking, killing is forbidden in all religions and it is considered as a sin, thus punishment for committing it would be a " double jeopardy " ; for there is punishment on earth and another in hell fire.
However I,am not in the position to judge here, but all murder cases have one thing in common when the killer has been caught and brought to justice, and that thing is :
" MOTIVE " !!!
So when I keep hearing my neighbor, constantly repeating the sentence : " I wanna kill my mother - in - law " !!! ......lol
you must be sure then that, it is not a sin to kill his mother - in - law, because he wouldn't have said and done that, unless she drove him nuts !!! So his " Motives " won't be as bad !!!
P.S : don't take seriously, I,am just trying to make a point here !!
2006-08-09 18:15:48
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answered by Fadi 2
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Only when defending the lives of themselves and more importantly, others, is it not a sin. When killing for any other reason, even more so and maybe for this reason the most, killing for defense of a indoctrinated idea is a sin. God does not will it that one kill in his name, only that one defend themselves and others from the unjust murder of those that would do you harm.
2006-08-09 17:50:19
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answered by amiaigner 3
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It is always a touchy issue because a soldier has, in effect, a licence to kill. That is his job. But he can t kill just anything and everything outside of combat situations. That would be out of line and he would face murder charges.
2006-08-09 18:05:08
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answered by robert43041 7
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I feel that God forgives our sins. Killing is definitely one of the biggies!!, but, if the person is a Christian, and asks for forgiveness, then they will not go to hell.
2006-08-09 17:50:19
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answered by Anonymous
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The commandment in it's correct form is:
Thou Shall Not Commit Murder.
Murder is different than killing.
That doesn't make killing good, just differnet.
2006-08-09 17:48:02
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answered by John 6
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