Can the God Squad please discuss their beliefs in the Religion and Spirituality pages and let those of us who are interested in astronomy and space discuss astronomy and space in these pages amd leave us in peace?
We don't discuss scientific questions on your pages SO DON'T YOU GO DISCUSSING RELIGIOUS QUESTIONS ON OURS!
Not only is it disrespectful of you, it is insulting, The Catholic Church burned Galileo's contemporary, Giordano Bruno as a heretic in 1600 for his views about the existence of extra-solar planets and the possibility of extra-terrestrial life, ideas that are only now being scientifically explored in detail and as a consequence, are a frequent topic of conversation in these pages.
Religion and its intolerance of new ideas held back scientific discussion then, did so in Darwin's day and by your intrusion into our space, it is doing so again today,
The intolerance evident in the rant above ("why can't you get it into your thick skulls?" etc) is odious and poisons the atmosphere here, I come here for new information, stimulating ideas, and reasoned debate. To be berated and browbeaten for not sharing someone else's received ideas is neither reasoned nor stimulating nor what I came here for.
So get back in your cage, The prison of your received ideas and let us get on with the much more interesting task of questioning received ideas and thinking heretical thoughts in the pursuit of knowledge and truth!
2006-08-10 17:08:09
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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Put this in the Religon and Spirtuality Section.
To your question, no. Religon is the remnants of our primitive past to explain the wonders of the cosmos. Now that we are civilized, we should cast off religons. However, if some people choose to cling to religons, it is all right. But sooner or later, if people remain too obsessed about religons, religon is going to endanger us. Some evangelists hope that Christianity will become the official religon of the USA. Not good!
The reason why the West modernized before Asia, Africa, and the Native Americans is because they were willing to seperate religon and government. If they are melded together again, we will fall back into the Dark Ages.
Some people claim that we must accept God through "faith" and carry the Bible around as proof. But what type of proof is a book supporting a religon to show that the god that the religon centers around? It doesn't make sense.
There are so many wars in the world, so many diseases. If there indeed is a God, he would not allow so many of these diseases and wars to happen. Nature is obviously a tinkerer, not a designer. No designer smart and intelligent would create such flawed beings like us. Not even we can design such a flawed being.
There is no God, in my opinion. God exists as a comfort to the souls who cling to the hope of heaven.
2006-08-09 05:05:56
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answered by whitearmofrohan 4
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I don't know what "God" means, my impression is that different people have different definitions, varying from a metaphor for whatever force or principle to which we could attribute unexplained phenomena, to something very concrete, an organism with human qualities like fatigue (got tired on the seventh day) and jealousy (does not allow his people to have other gods as well), but then with super-natural power.
I certainly do not believe in the latter, more concrete version, for the same reason that I do not believe in the Loch Ness Monster, much less in a Loch Ness Monster with super-natural abilities.
As for the more abstract version, you can hardly argue that it doesn't exist (or that it does exist for that matter). But I don't think God could be a very useful concept to me. In particular, I don't like the monotheistic idea of associating the origin of the universe with universal ethics through a single, combined creator/judge. But I might be wrong. Since I don't know that much about theology.
In any case, I recognize that God is perceived as a useful concept by many people, I don't think they are necessarily wrong. Although those who above all fear God certainly are. If you have nightmares about burning in hell because you have masturbated, you'd certainly be better off as an atheist.
2006-08-09 04:24:11
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answered by helene_thygesen 4
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One could say there is a God, but really there is more of a Guardian Angel type Spirit(s), protecting most people, some people have learned how to call this Spirit and its "friends" to help them in any problems or emergencies. It is easier to say God did it, than to say an Angel or A Great White Spirit came and helped to do it. A Miracle. Actually a Spirit, and there are many, came and helped. I'm sure that some where in Space and Time a "Spirit Boss" exists, but why worry about it. A Spirit, a being? in a 5th dimension. That can help or hinder. That's something to think about. .
2006-08-09 04:34:06
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answered by Lightning Struck Wizard 1
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I can't help feeling that this is all rehearsed, An organised group of evangelical Christians decide to all swoop and descend on a particular question and create the false impression that if a majority of those who answer it sound like sincere and devout Christians, then that constitutes the majority view in society and it is therefore a reasonable view to hold.
Neither of those conclusions is warranted, of course. What they say is prescripted and predictable, They don't seek to persuade but to insinuate on a "it works for me, it could for you" basis,.
Excellent point by Billabong about Giordano Bruno, It made me realise why isaacj100 threatens heretics and non-believers with the Fires of Hell, a stratagem that seeks to achieve conformity of thought through fear of punishment and pain. The Roman Catholic Church threatened Galieo with torture if he did not renounce his ideas, a few years after it had Bruno burned at the stake when he would not renounce his.
Nowadays we have human rights and they cannnot burn you at the stake in this life so they threaten you with the Fires of Hell in the next, Same authoritarian mindset, Same attutude, Heresy is unthinkable and it will be, it must be punished,
And above we read that ,,,
"Lots of famous scientist are atheist Albert Einstein, Steven jay Gould, James Watson. to mention a few. it's a pity they would wind up in HELL."
Note the use of capitalisation of key words like God and Hell throughout isaacj100's writings.
I have to agree, stick to the religion and spirituality pages and stop invading other people's forums.
This is uncomfortably like having the Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door as you settle down to read a copy of Scientific American!
2006-08-10 17:20:09
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answered by Anonymous
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It doesnt make you undesirable in case you dont beleive. the country became equipped on non secular beliefs yet over years God has been bumped off by technique of society. we've a lot contained in the way of clinical concept that still receives rid of God from any equation of turning out to be the international or guy for that remember. Now i imagine in case you beleive it comes out of your family individuals and extremely no the position else. No in case you dont beleive and there is a god im effective he's widely used with. Now God is asserted to be forgiving and merciful so dont worry too a lot about it.
2016-10-15 11:44:50
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answered by malinowski 4
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Yes i believe in God.
i don't think we all r same. may be because of genes we all r different . but who created genes to separate us from one another?
sometimes u r in a situation that nothing can be done n then a miracle happen n everybody is saved or whatever it is.
i will say it properly that there is nothing like hindus or muslims or christians or any other religion of the world have different different Gods but there is one super power which control the things when they go out of control of human hand.
yes humanity is a great thing but u can't compare it with God.
2006-08-09 04:21:20
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answered by Illusive One 4
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I do, big time. Science itself cannot explain everything in this world. Look around you. Better yet look at your self. Human body is the most sophisticated machine ever built. i don't think WE existed by our self. There is got to be much higher force that built us and this enormous universe we live in. It's true science develop many theories about evolution..etc. But they are still a theory. The fact is, there is God who place those planets (without falling and bumping at each other), and created humanity.
i'm a college student (accouting and finance) and christian
2006-08-09 04:18:27
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answered by ryu king 84 1
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Absolutely I believe in God.
The universe we live in has rules. We have discovered, and are still discovering, the equations that describe exactly the way the universe works. I don't believe that that mathmatic exactness could have been borne out of totally random and spontaneous chaos. There was a designer of the rules. Science is proof of God's existence.
2006-08-09 04:24:42
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answered by Anonymous
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There is a limit to what we can know for sure, depending on the limits of our sensory apparatus (eyes, nerves etc.), our existence in time, and a number of other factors, many of which we don't even know about. Our conceptual apparatus (what we are capable of mentally examining) is limited by our sensory apparatus. for instance, the world according to a creature without eyes is a completely different place to what we understand it to be, and any concept of what 'God' is to such a creature, assuming they had awareness, would accordingly be different.
We can only understand some stuff, the rest is conjecture.
2006-08-09 04:43:13
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answered by conroyform01 2
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What sickens me the most is that you atheist can't get it into you thick skull, there is GOD. You fools keep saying there is no physical evidence. If you call the bible superstitious, then you are 20 years late.There are lot of physical proof. The trees , The Sun , the MOON. we can't just come to earth just like that. Just like someone created the CARS, the airplanes we move in.May be you should go to Israel one day. Oh it's true there is GOD. Lots of famous scientist are atheist Albert Einstein, Steven jay Gould, James Watson. to mention a few. it's a pity they would wind up in HELL. It's only fools who don't believe in God.
However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists, “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. "Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed'” (John 20:29).
That does not mean, however, that there is not evidence of God’s existence. The Bible declares, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset – all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” There is something deep down in our beings that recognizes that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and through us is still there. Despite all of this, the Bible warns us that some will still deny God’s existence, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1). Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God – there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.
In addition to the Biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument basically uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition. A second is the teleological argument. The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer. For example, if earth were even a few hundred miles closer or further away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 0’s). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.
A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?
Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and instead believe a lie. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God, “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).
People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable for our actions to Him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. I believe that is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society - to give people an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.
2006-08-09 04:14:41
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answer #11
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answered by Agentj100 4
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