A genuine query about intelligent design?

Question

It seems to me that intelligent design is actually an argument for natural selection. I'd like to hear what people from both sides of the debate think.

I dont know much about the theory of intelligent design but I think it goes like this: life on earth is too perfect and complex to have simply come about by chance, so it must have been created. I say thats acutally an argument for natural selection because:

1. the more complex something is, the harder it is to design, hence more likely to have come about by chance, and;

2. the earth is a good place for the animals and plants on it because we developed via natural selection to suit the earth, ie. animals that find it tough on earth die and dont get to reproduce.

I'm not dissing intelligent design so I dont want people dissing me. Genuine answers only please.

Answer 1

Intelligent design is another name for creationism. It must be noted that both evolutionism and creationism are theories about the origin of the universe. All the data that is available exists only in the present, experiments that try to explore the past are tainted because the evolutionists are approaching from a presupposition; in addition, evolution's mechanism is blind chance, when the experiment is performed in a laboratory, intelligence is introduced, it is no longer evolution, but intelligent design. .
1. Complexity in life doesn't arise by chance. The protein molecule is built from 20 amino acids, if one was to take 20 lottery balls and label them 1-20 then place them in the tumbler, and turn the tumbler, the chances of the 20 balls coming out in numeric sequence 1-20 is 10 to the 20th power. That is akin to the chances of order arising out of chaos. Only the odds are much greater.
2. Natural selection does occur, but only within kinds. The gene pools of different species are varied, that is why dogs and cats can't cross breed, the same principle applies to man and apes.
The chance mutations which evolutionists attribute to natural selection are almost always harmful. All the different characteristics of any species, animal, plant and micro-organism are already present. In fact there are less now then in the beginning. New characteristics don't develop, but original traits do tend to disappear.
It was interesting that recently I read that evolutionary uniformitarian doctrine is being replaced with the creationist catastrophism. Apparently there is evidence that points to a global cataclysmic event. That is what creationist have been saying for years. Evolutionists are only now just catching up.

Answer 2

Yes basically people are divided on the theory of evolution and intelligent design. Some believe that life on earth - plants and animals and even the fact that the universe exists in all its majestic glory, the way the sun provides heat and the planets revolve around the sun - all by chance? all an accident? wow - some accident eh? we humans, the dominant species on the planet who have achieved so much? where just an accident of nature? - that's your theory of evolution and natural selection.

But the theory of intelligent design states that the universe was made the way it is by a higher level of intelligence, an all-knowing, all-seeing supreme being referred to in most religions as 'God'. He created life - ecosystems that are so fragile and depend so heavily on each other - Made human beings for a purpose and blessed us with consciousness - and made the universe the way it is - people who believe in intelligent design basically believe that the universe and everything in it cannot be the result of an accident - it was created by some 'intelligent' being - they use this metaphor - If you find a watch lying on the floor - obviously it must have had a maker right? the complicated mechanisms inside which make it work and move at such exact times so that it can be used to count seconds, minutes and hours couldn't have resulted from chance, someone must have made it.

Also, the theory of evolution and natural selection are believed and supported by scientists and the theroy of intelligent design is a religious angle on evolution - where natural selection and evolution depend on chance and survival of the fittest and intelligent design has the universe the way it is because God intended it to be so.

Answer 3

We don't even have a true meaning for the word 'intelligence.' So how can we prove or disprove the idea of 'intelligent' design?

For all as we know, intelligence can be something completely different since there is no universally excepted idea of it.

Also, what makes us intelligent? Are we really intelligent, or just random natural processes? If we're just random natural processes, then why can't the random natural process of evolution be intelligent?

Before we make claims or statements absolutely discluding or including anything, we must first define what we really mean by the definitions. For if we don't trully understand or define them, and if they also are not universally accepted or agreeable, then neither will be our claims be on behalf of them.

Our 'intelligence' and the 'randomness of the universe' must be defined Completely and understood first, before we can say one is not the other.

Answer 4

Your logic is backwards:

"the more complex something is, the harder it is to design, hence more likely to have come about by chance, and;"

The more complex something is, the less likely it can be solved by chance (ie trial and error). For example, take if I was trying to randomly spell words by pulling letters out of a hat. The word "hat" is less complex and would be much more likely to be spelled by chance than the word "randomly".

Complexity is a measure of somethings difficulty relative to random chance (natural selection) not relative to its difficulty in creating (intelligent design) as you put forth.

Answer 5

The intelligent design advocates seem to be saying that evolution occurred, it's just that it was guided by God. The problem is, the second half of the argument is religious, not scientific, so it still would violate the requirement of separation of church and state to go the extra step.

Answer 6

Umh - you mean about possibilities of Alien intervention with our development as Humans ...
Well - It coud be ...
I believe that Extraterestial Exists for sure in one or other form of life ...
Anyway - If they Exists , and they are inteligent creatures - what have been created them - acording to theory above ?
So Aliens have created us - humans , but our creator have been created by other Alines ... and so on ? .. ! ..?

Hmmm - There is alot of possibilities ... anyway - they can have a litle intervention with us ... some small touch ...

But i think that we are still young creatures ... maybe one of the youngest thinkfull form of life in this galactic ...

So as it seems - There is not a concrete answer - until one of Our creators come and Say - "Hello Pets !"

I accept more theory of separate development as a thinkfull creatures - like theory of evolution is showing us ...

Answer 7

Wha?

Intelligent huh???....cluck cluck...

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Okay, now I (the humen) will answer the questeen:

Intelligent huh??? What's a jenuin quarry about intelligent design? Are you making smart clothes? I want some!!! Send some of them smart pants over here. You got them in size 36? Is you a boy or is you a girl?

Pee ess,

This would of been a jenuin answer, but my chicken fudged it up. Don't worry. I corrected him. I sent him to bed without his supper.

Try to muss up my ansers on Yahoo!® Ansers, will ya? You got another thing commin'. (I shore shown him who's da boss round here.)

Git back in yer bed, you dern fool critter!!! You can't even spell rite yet.

Answer 8

I think you're going about it from the wrong angle. You're looking for a case FOR ID, and there is none.
It is fantasy, nothing more.
ID is no more a scientific concept than any other mythology.

Answer 9

Yoda could be right. It is teleological, the question. You can begin from the end and perceive a pattern where no pattern exists at all. ID could be one such.

Answer 10

both of the arguments are circular so no difference. evo makes better predictions and can guide searches for features better.