please debunk the 9/11 theory about the twin towers falling at the speed of gravity?

Question

i dont believe all that conspiracy crap about 9/11. ive heard enough debunks on everything EXCEPT on how the towers fell so quickly. the theorists are saying it fell @ the speed of gravity and there was no resistance slowing it down just like if would have done if it were a controlled demolition. i havent heard ANY debunks on this. can anyone explain this?? i dont want to beleive that conspiracy crap but if no one can explain this then theres no other choice. i also havent heard a good explanation of building 7 either.

Answer 1

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you have to belive the lies of conspiracies.

I'm an engineer in NYC and we studied the collapse of the Towers and toured the site it was a pancake effect that caused the collaspse after the top 3 floors collapse the other just went with little resistant because all the I beam were only bolted with 2 bolts each.

Building 7 came down because the front was crushed but it was strong enough to stay up the when the firemen re-entered the scene they began spraying water and it sollapsed under an unstable ground it was a slow collapse.

I saw all of this through my bedroom window.

Don't believe some nut in middle America who never was in NYC and hates the government.

Answer 2

I guess Moe, like a lot of others who claim to be "engineers", isn't accustomed with physics. The theory of the the free fall speed collapse cannot be debunked and has not been debunked.
Here is an ACTUAL physicist trying to understand and explain the event with the help of ACTUAL physics
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

There is also an analysis of the free fall rate here:
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

There are more than just one point of anomaly. If you want to brush away an alternative theory, you will need to disprove, to reasonable satisfaction of the proponent of the theory, every single aspect of the theory with ABSOLUTE certainty.

All of those who are going on and on about "fire burning the steel and other stories", why should anyone believe you? What you have is just another conspiracy theory. Just because in your case the conspirers were foreigners doesn't make your stories any less of a "conspiracy theory". Do you have an absolute proof beyond reasonable doubt that your theory is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT accurate?
All you have is just a theory. No proof, no evidence, just a half-a$$ed theory.

BTW, how many of you have read the official commission report? Get a hold of a copy and see how many disclaimers it makes. Also try and get a hold of the copy of the NIST report about why the structures collapsed. Before you have read those two books, you have little authority to either support those theories or challenge a different theory.

Answer 3

The WTC were about 420 meters tall, however the planes hit at about 330 meters up in one building and at about 365 meters up in the other.

Free fall at 330 meters would take about 8.25 sec and free fall at 365 meters about 8.5 sec.

Once the building started collapsing, there wasn't much resistance. The building's structure only increased the amount of time to fall by around 15 % or so. If you use the top of the towers to calculate your free fall time, it makes it look like the building's structure offered even less resistance.

I don't know the structural details of the building. Supposedly, they should have been able to withstand the impact of a 707 searching for the airport in the fog. While a 767 isn't that much bigger than a 707, there's a lot of difference in the speed of a 707 looking for the airport and the speed of a 767 looking to inflict as much damage as possible. Remember that kinetic energy is 1/2*m*v^2. The velocity has a more significant impact on your kinetic energy than mass. The kinetic energy from the collisions were about 7 times greater than the buildings were designed to withstand.

Answer 4

They don't say 'at the speed of gravity' as it was several seconds off, they say 'almost' ... but I disgress.

The reason that it 'falls' at something within some distance of gravitational speed stems from how the strength of materials varies. It is not all exactly the same, but has some random fluctuations along the material. Two bars will not break in the same place for example. This will be referred to as "*"

When the load gets enough, it breaks somewhere along where the support of the load. By "*", this is NOT at where the big bit is falling, it is randomly along the support.

So now we consider it again. There are many supports, so many floors have a few random breaks.

So, we have a heavy tower top, and the plane breaks enough of its support to fall one floor, for example. This shock will break things for many floors below. (In reality it is much more continous) and so it falls another flaw, but that already has breaks so it gives not much resistance, and also the supports that are NOT broken when that floor falls on them will not break at that place (at least not initially, the reason for that is that the places not broken are the places of higher strength) but further down. Therefore the tower top is falling onto severely weakened structure. The WTC could survive hurricanes because it was well braced to the sides, but this was vertical and irregular.

Or in other words, when it started falling it had already destroyed a lot of the support, and the destruction was not happening at the front of the falling tower top.

There you go, hope I have explained clear enough. :)

Answer 5

Who says "falling at the speed of gravity" anyway?
Anyone with any significant scientific background would not phrase the statement that way unless, perhaps, maybe, to oversimplify the situation to others.
It is just a very odd way of trying to phrase it in my mind.

"Man", I don’t necessarily think these conspiracy theorists really "hate" the government (although I am not, not saying that either)....but like the moon landing was a "hoax", some people will believe just about anything.

"sleepingtao", concerning your comment about the gold in the towers....I had actually heard (I think on a History channel show on the subject) that it was all recovered, intact so to speak, no of it was missing.
No who's source is right, I do not know.

Answer 6

No, what happened was that the building was never meant for all the weight of all the floors above the whateverth floor the planes hit, and when the planes hit the huge amount of heat melted the pillars above it and that came crashing down with enough force to make something like a domino effect...I don't understand why it should fall any slower than it did, the building is straight up and down and u'd imagine if you dropped a heavy enough bowling ball you could get it to go through 1 or 2 floors but a whole plane + quarter of building can get all the floors beneath it to crack and fail.

Answer 7

The fire had spread to multiple floors, meaning many of the upper floors were weak by the time of the initial collapse. So it's not unlikely that the first floor to collapse caused not just one, but several, of the floors beneath to collapse too. That would cause the upper portion of the building to go rapidly.

And the lower part: who knows? On every film I've seen, there is no way to determine the speed of the fall because of the dust.

Answer 8

The way the towers were built, the force of such an impact would cause the infrastucture to collapse similar to a controlled demolition. If you study the actual collapse, you will see it did not fall at the speed you described until the damage eroded at the infrastructure and it reached the limits of it's strength and collapsed. I understand the theories, but I feel it is somewhat insulting to my brothers in blue as well as the firefighters who willingly sacraficed themselves to save people.

Answer 9

Well Dr. Feelgood if those are the only things that you find suspicious then you have your eye blinded, because there is a plethora of loose ends that seem to have no answers. There is no way to explain the Twin Towers falling at the speed of gravity if they were not blown up by controlled explosions from within the building. Its pure physics man, have you seen how in the video there are explosions on floors before the floors from above reach them? There is no way to explain that, other then detonators planted there.

DC

Answer 10

Why dont you talk about WTC building 7...

The "Official Story" of 9/11 is the REAL conspiracy theory. There is no doubt that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were orchestrated by the criminal elite of the U.S Government. Also, there is no evidence that suggests that the official story is true. The FACTS all lead to the TRUTH and that’s what I'm trying to give you.


A few things to consider:

1. OPERATION NORTHWOODS:

(Early 1960s proposal to JFK that we hijack our own aircraft as pretext to invade Cuba, drafted by the highest-ups of the U.S Department of Defense at the time. When Kennedy saw this document he was appalled and fired then Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Louis Lemnitzer. Just a U.S example of false flag terrorism as pretext to further the political interests of the U.S Government.

2. PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDER “W199i":

(Signed by G.W Bush to specifically back off FBI/CIA from Bin Ladens

3. WTC7 COLLAPSE:

(The building that was 300 feet away from the twin towers that mysteriously collapsed onto itself on 9/11. There were buildings closer to WTC twin towers that were damaged much more severely that stand to this day. It was not hit by any aircraft.

4. OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE AND ABLE DANGER:

It just so happens that there were drills ON 9/11 that were carried out by NORAD that simulated planes going into WTC towers and the Pentagon…(There were also drills in London during the 7/7 bombings simulating the same exact event) Coincidence? I think not. This drill also incorporated fake “blips” on the radar screen to indicate the simulated highjacked planes. With this drill going on there were 22 suspicious dots that NORAD could not distinguish from being real or fake. This “well timed” drill confused NORAD.

5. OSAMA BIN LADEN “CONFESSION” TAPE:

This is the only proof Osama was behind the attacks and it obvious the video was manufactured propaganda. For one, even though the video is grainy and of low quality, it’s obviously not Bin Laden. In the video he is writing something on a notepad with his RIGHT hand. Bin Laden is LEFT handed. A gold ring is also visible on his ring finger. Gold jewelry is forbidden for religious reasons.

Osama also said that he never attacked us. He said that it would have been against his religion to attack a group of people unprovoked.

OFFICAL STORY: Fire from within the WTC buildings weakened the steel within the structure causing it to collapse...No building with a steel frame structure ever fell because of fire… Not to mention lease owner of the WTC complex Larry Silverstein said himself that he "pulled" the building...A common demolition term for "demolish".

It takes weeks and weeks to plan a demolition. I guess Silverstein had a demolition team go into WTC7, Analyze the structure, unpack the explosives, set up the charges, and demolish it in about 8 hours. All during the biggest national crisis this generation has seen.

How about all the witness testimony saying they have heard and felt explosions within the WTC towers?

I could go on and on...If you decide to call me dumb, moronic, or Un-American be my guest. Just realize that personal attacks on me only give me more weight in the argument. Do your own research...Realize that you are losing your liberties more and more each day...Just look at the Patriot Act, The Patriot Act completely skews the constitutional rights of citizens.

Pass on all of your knowledge to your friends and family. Enlighten everyone you know.

For the sake of Liberty and Freedom it is imperative that you take this information under your wing and spread the word as your patriotic duty. DO NOT BELIEVE ME…Do your own research like I have. Look up these documents. Put the puzzle together.

Uncovering 9/11 is the only way we can stop this war on oil and humanity (A.K.A terrorism). Help save the lives of the American soldiers that are being wasted at the disposal of the New World Order.

It’s about time to wake up America...Before it is too late.