Why do gays and lesbians...?

Question

choose this lifestyle that they live in sin under the Lord, in full knowledge they will face the ultimate judgement one day?

Answer 1

because you touch yourself at night.

Answer 2

There is no choice involved. So, how can someone be born gay?

In a word, genetics. there is a great deal of scientific evidence that it is inborn. Beyond scientific evidence there is anecdotal evidence.

The fruit fly study is actually fairly conclusive. But the pheremonal and eye blink studies are also compelling. I've included links below for those that are interested. Beyond that, research increasingly suggests that at least for males, Xq28 is the crucial gene. I am saddened by this, because I believe that once it is proven, gay people will be wiped out through selective abortion – with the full support of the fundamentalists -- and I think that is sad, because given the number of species in which homosexuality exists (see Dr. Bruce Bagemihl's book "Biological Exuberance" from St. Martin's Press) I think it serves a purpose.

Now as to the theology behind your question: The Bible speaks out directly about a lot of things. It says that the world has corners (Isaiah 11:12) and that it sets on pillars (I Samuel 2:8). It says that God accepted a human sacrifice -- he may have prevented Isaacs, but he allowed a general to sacrifice his own daughter without even a murmur, the text giving tacit support to the idea that having given his word, the man had to kill his child. (Judges 11:30-39). The Bible clearly maintains that genocide is often commanded by God (Joshua 10:40-42 and I Samuel 15: 2, 3 and 8) and that, after killing all the adults in a race, taking the female children as sex slaves is permissible (Numbers 31: 17-18).

The God revealed by the Bible is not only both a liar who doesn't know the natural laws of his own world, and a monster, as shown above -- but he has no real regard, even for his own people, whom he forces into cannibalism (Leviticus 26: 27-29) when he is mad at them; or his priests, whose faces he wipes with dung (Malachi 2:1-3).

It is not only gays and lesbians that are hated by biblegod. This monstrosity also suggests killing kids who eat or drink too much (Deutoronomy 21: 18-21), and says that if he is angry with parents he will kill their children (Leviticus 26:22) and he blames things upon children whose great-great-great grandfather committed the things being blamed on the kids (Exodus 20: 5)

Putting it in a word, biblegod is a monstrosity, a horrific demiurge of evil. Something that even he admits ( Isaiah 45:7 ) [Furthermore, the word used in Hebrew for evil, the word ra' is widely conceded to mean a number of different things: It can mean "wickedness," "mischief," "bad," "trouble," "hurt," "sore," "affliction," "ill," "adversity," "harm," "grievous," and "sad." So no matter what particular interpretation is given of this word -- it has profoundly negative implications. The idea that god is sovereign over the affairs of man makes this even worse, because no matter what interpretation it has, it indicates that biblegod deliberately does harm.]; evil about which he sometimes changes his mind (Exodus 32:14). What a font of unchanging morality -- that almighty God can decide to kill an entire people, and then be talked out of it by a human servant... Furthermore, it is obvious, if God can change his mind, then even if the Bible were not full of errors and horrors, you could not trust that God had not changed his mind on any other issue in it.

So, yes, I suppose if one wants to take as truth a book that says that beetles have four legs instead of six (Leviticus 11: 21-23) and that rabbits chew their cud [which they do NOT] (Deuteronomy 14:7) and if you are willing to, having accepted it as truth, overlook the fact that biblegod routinely changed his mind (I can show you other instances if you wish) then yeah, I suppose its words would matter.

I on the other hand, while a Christian (as in Christ follower) am NOT a literalist, and do not think that a book of bronze age myths owing heavily to the Sumerian and Egyptian myths in the Old Testament and to a collection of pagan faiths, particularly Mithraism in the New Testament matters at all. Nor do I think that the Jewish "Adversary" is really a "devil" that can affect anything at all -- despite the use that the Roman Catholic church and all its schisms has put it to.

Regards,

Reynolds Jones
Schenectady, NY
http://www.rebuff.org
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Answer 3

You are new here and you have asked but five questions so far; every one of which is worded so as to hurt, demean or insult some particular minority. Why?

Do you derive some pleasure from being hateful? Is it because you feel anonymous and safe behind your computer screen, that you can lash out at those you despise? Do you suffer from low self esteem and need to put others down in an attempt to feel good about yourself?

You are a sick person. Seek help and discuss your problems with a qualified mental health professional.

I won't dignify your "questions" with the kind of "answers" you so dearly need.

Answer 4

Why are you so ignorant? People sin every day, and personally, I don't see how it's a sin to love someone. On the other hand, you judging people based on who they love seems like a worse sin. What you need to understand is this is not something people "choose" Why would I choose to live a hard life? You know why, because I can't turn myself straight, just like you can't turn yourself gay. You judging someone because they are gay is most likely a result of you not being happy with something in your life, so you feel like you must hurt other people to make yourself feel better. That or you're gay and you hate yourself for it. Nothing worse than a self-hating gay.

Oh, and by the way, I hate to break this to you, but there is no god, him and the bible are made up to make people like you feel better about their lives.

Answer 5

Gee, a brand new member and this is the way you want to start off? I'm a bit confused and it sounds as if you are too.

In your first question, you indicate that you liked being fondled by a priest. (And what was the reason for the offensive racial comment?)

And now you are stating the religous right's point of view on gays. What's up with this? If you are trying to get all sides of an issue up front, why not just ask your question that way?

You don't have to stoke the fuels of hatred towards gays on this site. The zealots are just standing by with arthritic fingers ready to smite those who prefer those of the same sex. (I suspect they don't get a lot if you know what I mean...)

Answer 6

why do ignorant homophobic people like you choose to live the judgemental lifestyle your living? Don't you know that by judging other people you are "sinning" ? Gay people aren't hurting you by simply loving one another, so grow up, turn your back, walk away, and leave us alone, this a place for the lgbt community to support one another!

Answer 7

Oh geez. Why does this question have to be rehashed OVER and OVER and OVER? This is the GAY AND LESBIAN section, where a lot of the questioners and answers are..omg..GAY AND LESBIAN!! If you don't LIKE it, why don't you take your religious spoutings on over to the RELIGION section and ask the right winged bible thumpers THEIR opinion, since it's OBVIOUS in your question what YOUR idea on the subject is? You've stated in your question an OBVIOUS religious backing to your own opinion that isn't going to change when you ask the opinion of members who you already know are going to have an opinion than you? You're NOT going to see it from OUR perspective because your question REEKS of intolerance and close mindedness, so why even ask the damn question? Huh? Take your religion and your bible and your damn JUDGEMENTAL ATTITUDE and shove it where the sun don't shine ok? Btw, the RELIGION section is down the hall, don't let the RAINBOW hit you in the a$$ on the way out!

Answer 8

As an atheist, I do not believe in "the Lord" and until anyone can prove he exists, I will continue to be happy. And this wasn't a lifestyle I choose.

Answer 9

why do christians think they have the right to judge when they know they will face the ultimate judgement one day?

you cant always count on religion to tell you what is right and wrong. God made me and by saying that Im wrong you are insulting God. Always remember not to eat shellfish or pork and always wear your hair like a rabbi. Oh yeah, and dont have sex for pleasure. The bible says so. Youll go to hell if you dont follow it exactly how its written.

Answer 10

1) I did not choose to be gay - this is how I was born. I did however choose to finally be who I am instead of trying to fight it as I did for 39 years of my life.

2) Judge not - lest ye be judged... For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.'

3) The Bible contains only 6 admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more direct supervision.

Answer 11

I'm gay, and a christian. I believe God still loves me and has no problem with that fact.

Although, these days, I'm finding it hard to call myself a Christian with biggoted people like yourself sharing that name.

Why would you ask this question in this section, you know it will just incite anger. You phrase it in a way to make yourself look innocent, however what's in your heart is pretty obvious.

How about finding the things that are wrong in your own life (and I can guarentee there are some) and deal with those, before you start worrying about us gays and lesbians going to hell.