when will my gay brothers and sisters have the same rights as every one else!?

Question

come on people, i mean really what do you gain by not leting us marry?

Answer 1

The gay marriage battle is a fascinating one -- and the battle itself frightens me, though not for any reason you might expect.

The gay marriage fight is really a battle between two groups of religious denominations - Christian and other in both cases. That battle is being missed by the media, and I believe that the battle threatens democracy in America.

One of the reasons for the Revolution, in which ancestors of mine fought -- was to establish freedom of religion in the new nation. Now, we are throwing that away, because contrary to what those on the Right would like you to think, this is not a battle between "people of faith" and "atheists" or some such -- this is a battle between two groups of people of faith, using the government to establish one sides views -- the EXACT THING that the anti-establishmentarian clause of the Constitution is there to prevent.

Of course no one should "make" those whose faiths oppose gay marriage perform such marriages, and no one ever would. So ministers from the Southern Baptists and Assemblies of God and Ultra-Orthodox Jews and Fundamentalist Muslims should never be asked to perform gay marriages, and certainly not forced to.

On the other hand, why should faith groups that support gay marriage -- such as the United Church of Christ, the Unitarian/Universalist Society, the North American Spiritualist Church, Reform Judaism, and the Correllian Tradition of Wicca -- all recognized Churches and 501c3s be barred from practicing their religious faith, which says it is ok to marry same sex couples?

The first group of faith groups is realistically using the government to prevent the second group of faith groups from practicing what they believe. The founders tried to prevent this, for the stability of the country. It doesn't matter that everyone "thinks" they are right and others are wrong -- it matters that we are plural as a society and the government should recognize everyone's ceremonies the same -- which means that gay marriages committed by churches and faith groups that believe in gay marriages, should be honored by the government regardless of what groups that don't like it say.

Everyone's beliefs can be honored, thus preserving the values that my 12 times removed Great Grandfather died for -- but not if we allow one side to legislate away the rights of the other side.

Regards,

Reynolds Jones
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Answer 2

Homolovely,
I don't know. I do know this. The Gay community as a whole, is as prejudiced and full of bigotry as the straight community. Nobody is preventing you from doing anything in your personal relationships that you want to. Marraige, true marraige, is declaring your love and intent to be a family before God. There is no place in the Bible that describes civil marraige. What you are all crying about, is gaining priviledges (financial benefits), that have traditionally been reserved for heterosexuals, in order to assist in the raising of children. Aside from these financial benefits, nobody cares what you do with each other. If raising children is so important to you, and you want the financial benefits, start a foster home. It is not my place to judge what anyone does with their life. However, could you please tell me how many civilizations still exist from antiquity, that have allowed Gay marraige? None? Oh. Perhaps you should ask the Chinese how they feel about it, since they have the oldest civilization known on this planet. No Gay marraige? Wow, what a surprise. Before you try to reinvent history, why don't you take a look at the Big Picture? And please, can we just do away with the stereotype of all Gays being gentle, and artistic. Give me a break. I have known more than a few Gays, and they have all the same behavior problems as everyone else. They are drug addicts, spouse abusers, criminals, haters, liars, thieves, murderers, and anything else we are as a race. I think it's time we got past the media created image of Gays somehow being morally superior to us backwards and intolerant heterosexuals. Find a new Cause, like feeding those who are starving in Africa, or something useful like that.

Answer 3

Nothing really. A lot of people throw the "religious" card out there. "It's non Adam and Steve it's Adam and Eve." But people marry all around the world, a lot of different religions. The problem is that diversity scares people. Being gay and lesbian has been taboo for a long time. People have been brain washed into thinking it's unethical and nasty, and that's what they are basing this on. I myself could not marry another woman, I wouldn't find comfort in it. That's my life. Yet, a gay or lesbian marriage doesn't affect me what-so-ever. Marriage in my eyes in the utmost love and compassion for another human being, if you both happen to be of the same sex, so be it. Well, my best wishes hun.

Answer 4

I'm sure you won't want to choose this as the best answer :)

I still don't think it's proper. Just because we want to or it feels right, it makes it right. You can't think objectively about it because you are involve. You need an outsider to see the big picture. We were created in a certain order. Your sexual orientation is already accepted. You excel in all different kinds of things and we all know that. It's not really a matter of being ready for gay marriages. Or about discrimination or about being different. It's following a certain order in this world that we shouldn't tamper upon. We might not see the dire consequences but eventually there will be. I hope you find happiness in your partner and he in you.

Answer 5

The problem is most of us still look at it as a "sickness" because when we were kids uncle Bob molested us and stuck that idea in or heads(or something else). That was the first as a closet gay we ever met.We were ashamed of what happened and wouldn't tell anyone. So know maybe we don't want to see that man on man affection in public as a reminder. Because I SURE AS HELL don't have a problem seeing two beautiful women together.

Answer 6

Why (in the U.S.) don't we legally only recognize civil unions for everyone (gay or straight) and have "marriage" be a term reserved for a religious ceremonies (marriage can be recognized by the State as a civil union). That way everyone can continue to disagree on the meaning or marriage and it's irrelevant - afterall, everyone's religious beliefs are all over the place anyway.

Answer 7

We've made tremendous progress within the past decade alone (Lawrence v Texas, Legal marriage recognized in Massachusetts, Civil Unions in Vermont, Domestic Partnerships in California, etc.). Great social progress -- not legal -- was made prior to that.

I speculate that within another decade we will have Equal Status ... FULL and LEGAL Equal Status. As other 1st World nations continue to confer equal status on same-sex couples, America will follow ... eventually.

Best Wishes!

Answer 8

What right are you talking about? Can you prove that you are medically different than others?Black people are black. White people are white. Spanish people are Spanish.

What is it about you physically that proves you are a different gender than you appear to be?

Think about it. It is a fact that there are people born who have a gender problem. I have encountered one in my lifetime. He is more female than male in appearance and in emotional behaviors as in crying easily and other common female behaviors.

I had to help this person access the male bathrooms by a police escort. Now here is a gender issue I take seriously. Other than this type of situation I do not see this issue as a rights issue.

You are no different than any other person who chooses an inappropriate lifestyle as in an avid fornicator, prostitute, or adulterer.

Hope that answers your questions. I love you BUT! Come on. I don't care how many people you think you have to convince. I don't ask you to affirm my bad behavior. Don't ask me to affirm yours.

Answer 9

As soon as they move to Canada.

PS for whynotaskdon: Know many 60+ heterosexuals having kids, do you? Why not include a fertility test before permitting marriage, and a limited time to have a child so marriage isn't wasted on those who refuse to actually have a family? And why prevent lesbians from marrying? They can have kids (and many of them do have kids).

Answer 10

Hey, don't look at me. I don't care if you get married. God knows we straights ain't that great at preserving the sanctity of that instituion: 2 out of 3 end in divorce; Liz married 8 times; Britney's 1st marriage lasting 24 hours.
Someday you too could experience the thrill of divorce, alimony and child support.