Do you think palestinians are the problems or jews? Who had the holy land first?

Question

I think that it should be for the palestinians not for the jews...the same things hitler did to the jew the jews are doing to the arabians!

Answer 1

Nonsense. You obviously know nothing about hitler, or WWII.

The "palestinians" are arabs from the surrounding countries that nobody wanted. Those arabs are still not welcome in their own countries. Arafat used them as pawns for his own political gains.

Learn some history before you post again.

Answer 2

mankind had the land first.

I just had this disscussion with another person...

Before the end of WWII there was no state of Israel unless you go back 3 to 4,000 years. The Israelites were deposed of their land and many were enslaved by the Egyptians. Then after the atrocities that befell the Jewish in Nazi Germany the Western world felt that we owed it to the Jews that they have their own land and supported the creation of Israel. Millions of Jews migrated to their "traditional" homeland, thereby deposing the Palestinians (who had nothing to with the Nazis master race). If we are to accept that the state of Israel is a legitimate country then what do we do about the Native Americans that were deposed of their land and now have land claims against the government?
The people, who were in the land, before the Jews declared the independent state of Israel, have been treated as second class (without citizenship in the country of their birth). Is there any wonder why the countries around Israel are up set? The United States has provided Israel with Nuclear Warheads while attempting to prevent Israel’s neighbors from acquiring an equally terrifying weapon (of Mass Devastation).

How would you feel if some people showed up in your neighborhood and moved in with out property? Let’s say they decide to occupy a local park or play ground? Then their friend who has a lot of property hands them weapons like guns to keep the park while you only have gardening tools to try to oust them? Then when you do get close to getting them out they take over one of the houses near the park and start renovating it and killing the people who use to live in the house. What would you do? What would you do when the cops are on their side (even when they are clearly in the wrong)? What would you do when the bully (the occupier’s friend) says that you are not allowed to have guns and starts killing anyone who tries to make one?

Judaism is a religion not a country.
The only reason that Vatican City (Christian) is considered an independent state is because the Italian government gave the Vatican the rights to become an independent state WITHIN Italy.

There is no other state in the world that is religion based (governments, yes… but no other country)

Answer 3

In ancient times what is now Israel was held by Canaanites and the Jews took it away from them. So at that time the land was theirs by conquest. Later the Romans took the land, so it was theirs by conquest. Rome fell and it was taken by Arabs, so it was there's by conquest. The Arabs lost it for a time to the Crusades, so it was owned by Christian Europeans for awhile by conquest. Then the Arabs took it back, so it was theirs by conquest. The British eventually ended up owning the area by conquest and around the time of WWI it agreed, in the Balfour Declaration, that Jews should have a homeland there, as should the Palestinians.

This homeland never came to pass however, and the British backed off the idea. WWII came and Hitler massacred Jews in Europe. Meanwhile in the 20th Century a movement called Zionism became a force amongst Jews which pushed for their own land. Collective guilt over Hitler and the Zionist movement pushed the UN (into whose lap the British dumped the whole problem) to decide that Israel should come into being, side by side with a Palestinian state. The British had been thwarting the movement of Jews to the area as called for by the Zionist movement and they got militant and ran a terrorist campaign/guerilla war against the Brits. Meanwhile the Arab states said they would not allow a Jewish state there. So, the Jews essentially helped themselves, and declared a state in 1948 and went to war to keep it. They won. The Palestinians were pushed out of part of the territory into the territory of Jordan--who didn't want them either and despite having plenty of land, gave them none.

So the way I see it, if I have my sequence of modern events right--the Jews were promised a homeland in the middle east, the UN gave them a mandate for a homeland and the Jews took the land by conquest.

I see no reason to say they don't have a right to be there. Now Arabs disagree, but wefre taught a sound lesson in 1967 when Israel beat them and took more land--it did not annex that land and it has now been "returned" to the Palestinians (they never owned it, it was Jordan that owned Golan Heights).

The arab states and the Palestinians STILL refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist and that's the crux of all the problems.

So, the way I see it, when you do the calculus, the problem is the Palestinians and their backers amongst the more radical Arab states. Only Jordan and Egypt are excepted as they have peace treaties with Israel and recognize its right to exist. THe people behind Hamas and Hezbollah are the Iranians and the Syrians--so along with the Palestinians, they are the the trouble makers.

I do not know if the right of adverse possession (a legal term in the Anglo-American common law) applies in the international legal arena, but if it does, then Israel has held the land openly for more than 50 years...perhaps by adverse possession this land is theirs now too.

I'm tired the Palestinians making demands, giving nothing in return and then breaking their agreements. I'm so tired of other Arab states acting through surrogates. I frankly think the world should let the Israelis do whatever they think is necessary to defang Hamas and Hezbollah and their puppet masters.

Answer 4

Who said the Palestinians had it first? The Jews won it in fair combat from the Canaanites. They are extinct. The Palestinians sometimes falsely claim to be the Original Canaanites but they are not, they are Arabs. The Canaanites were not Arab. If anyone are the Canaanites, it's the Jews because many Canaanite slaves where held by the Jews and even interbred with the Jews so the Canaanite heritage lies with the Jews....Yes, it's true!

Answer 5

It depends upon how far back in history you want to go... remember, the Jews wandered in the desert for 40 years! The land currently occupied by Israel... was set by treaty after WWII.. I think.. but the Gaza strip has been a source of contention because of the people who have moved there expecting government support.

Answer 6

it's not about a friggin holy land!!!! historically speaking the jews never even entered that land with moses so there's no more promised land.
now the ARABS lived there ever since this land came to existence.
ARABS ( jews, christians and muslims )
now those zionist bastards came from all over europe and kicked those arabs out of their homes into the deserts and created a country!!

Answer 7

The Holy Land is God's property so I think he would rather the Jews had it; and, Jews don't kill innocent people all over the world every day so they actually deserve the Holy Land.

Answer 8

You know what? WHO FU**ING CARES??!! Everyone needs to grow up and end this elementary school type feud. Enough suffering on both sides. I say they need to just draw a damn line and stay out of each others' way. Geez, are these people gluttons for punishment or what...

Answer 9

Israel was given the land legally after WWII. It was ordained by the UN. Whether you accept it or not its law. That doesn't give you the right or any group to terrorize the nation.

Answer 10

IF YOU GO WAY BACK IT BELONGED TO THE JEWS.