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I have heard this phrase many times before but I never understood what it meant or how the term was devised. I always thought that "out of pocket" meant the amount of money you have to pay in lieu of what an insurance or financing agreement would offer.

2006-07-19 04:33:17 · 13 answers · asked by Joe K 6 in Society & Culture Other - Society & Culture

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Prior to working for the federal government, I thought the phrase out of pocket referred to having used one's own money for something. However, I have heard many people, albeit within the military realm of government, in which I happen to work, use the term to mean "he's not here/he's out of the office." At first I thought this was a "Hawaii thing" (where I work), but I have heard it from both military employees and civilian employees of the military, in Hawaii and in mainland-U.S. areas, too.
I won't go into detail about the financial senses of out of pocket, except to say that it's an adverb phrase that means 'lacking money or assets' or 'having suffered a financial loss'. As a hyphenated adjective, it could mean 'having no money', but usually refers to expenses that require cash to be paid when the expense is incurred. These expenses may be reimbursed, such as business-trip outlays, or unreimbursed, such as health-insurance copays.

Yes, out of pocket has come to mean 'unreachable, absent, unavailable'. Lurking on the Internet discussion group "alt.usage.english," I'm convinced that this "newer" meaning is at least 25 years old, originally not too common, but now increasingly used over a wide area. In fact the Dictionary of American Regional English promises out of pocket as a "coming attraction" in the forthcoming Volume IV. Their draft entry is labeled "Chiefly South and South Midland," a regional distribution that includes southern states (such as Georgia and Alabama), and states just above this region (such as Tennessee and Kentucky). However, I would add that out of pocket is also used in Hawaii (thank you!), on the West Coast, in the Midwest and West (especially in Texas), and even in the Northeast (such as in the financial districts of New York City).

Many explanations of this 'unreachable, unavailable' meaning have been put forth. The most reasonable one is that the original financial sense ("out-of-pocket expenses") took on a broader meaning, first used by bankers, brokers, and others employed in the financial sector. Here's the analogy: if you're on vacation rather than working, you're incurring expenses you wouldn't normally have. Another connection with the original financial sense: if you're out of the office, you're probably losing an opportunity to make money. By the way, if you take your cell phone or laptop with you on vacation, you're in pocket. Which brings me to another explanation: if your cell phone is not in your pocket, you're out of pocket. Sounds plausible until you realize the 'unreachable, unavailable' meaning of the phrase predates the popularity of pocket-sized cell phones.

Another possibility: if you're traveling, things are not readily available, accessible, or at hand-as they would be if they were "in your pocket." And finally, there are some who insist that this newer meaning of out of pocket is from football: if the quarterback is outside the 'pocket', the area cleared by blockers, he can't pass the ball safely.

The phrase out of pocket also means 'out of place; out of order', and often describes unacceptable behavior or situations. This meaning has its roots in Black English of the 1940s, and refers to the pockets on a pool table. An example from a recent edition of The Los Angeles Times: "Any outsider who would attempt to engage in that conversation would be out of pocket."

2006-07-19 04:39:43 · answer #1 · answered by soulroute™ 3 · 0 0

The term "out of pocket"...as in expenses...are those costs you will incur which are not covered by insurance...that you will literallly have to dig out of your pocket to pay. This term, like so many other English-language expressions, is just a form of short-hand...the full phrase being understood by the listener. Unfortunately, if English is not your 'mother-tongue' or you learn it in a different country from the U.S., you will probably hear many expressions like this which connote something ENTIRELY different than what they sound like...and if even I can get confused, I really feel sorry for others!

2006-07-19 04:39:32 · answer #2 · answered by Rev Debi Brady 5 · 0 0

There are a couple of choices, depending on the situation, the most popular one is If a person spent a lot of money for something, say without warranty or such and it broke and the person had to have it either fixed or replaced, they are out of pocket.

2006-07-19 04:38:54 · answer #3 · answered by wondering 4 · 0 0

if is a person is out of pocket they can't be reached or u cant communicate with them right then and there....not answering there cell, home phone, not home and u and maybe a couple of other people that usually know where a person is dont....... some times i like to be out of pocket

2006-07-19 04:53:51 · answer #4 · answered by karamelicousone 3 · 0 0

Away from their normal work area. I.e. wasn't getting email or messages; temporarily cut off.

You have a business (or a vacation) trip next week: "Can you give me this [whatever] now, because I'm going to be out of pocket next week?"

"I didn't see the memo, I was out of pocket"

You get the idea...

2006-07-19 04:38:32 · answer #5 · answered by Char 7 · 0 0

Never heard it referred to a person.

Have understood it to mean, that it must be paid out of your pocket. No one else is going to pay it.

2006-07-19 04:40:44 · answer #6 · answered by GypsyGr-ranny 4 · 0 0

"Out of pocket" means the person is covering the expenses his, or herself. Nobody else is paying.

2006-07-19 04:35:58 · answer #7 · answered by Spirit Walker 5 · 0 0

liquid money like out of pocket allowance

2006-07-19 04:35:37 · answer #8 · answered by raj 7 · 0 0

As far as I know, it means that they had to pay for something themselves that wasn't covered by their insurance.

2006-07-19 04:41:51 · answer #9 · answered by December Princess 4 · 0 0

"Out of pocket" refers to expenses that must be made with whatever cash you have on hand or: out of your pocket.

If you are "out of pocket", it means that you don't HAVE that cash at the moment.

2006-07-19 04:36:51 · answer #10 · answered by Granny Annie 6 · 0 0

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