Americans: If You had your Choice between .......?

Question

Where we stand today in Iraq, the Billions (trillion?) of dollars spent and lives lost (yes including the 10's of thousand of Iraqi women and kids dead).......and our new image in the world

or

Leaving the U.N. Sanctions, inspections which disarmed iraq and covert ops in place and instead investing that money into a modern National Healthcare system with 'technology incentives' for R&D...

Which would you choose?

nobody said 'socialism', stop watching Fox 'news'.

Advanced Democracies have national healthcare systems that citizens pay for.

Answer 1

well if you have universal healthcare, then you have an equal distribution of wealth... meaning the ones in the poorest regions, also benefit because they now have access to healthcare, but we might not have the best healthcare...

the split between the rich and the poor is getting wider... unless there is something done to this, it will only keep getting wider...

chandru... so even if it causes another world war... you'd be satisfied? interesting...

matt s - they still get helped, but then come the bills... if a person needed an expensive operation, and the poorer family could not afford it, then for whatever reason, they could get it done, it's just the family now has to manage its funds towards the bills of that hospital.. and if you have a national healthcare system, you don't have to pay a penny because you already have... in your taxes...

Answer 2

Neither. The war has been a waste on tax dollars, but if you think socialism is gonna work in america you got it all wrong. Capitalism at its finest, not universal healthcare. Im sure not paying my taxes to a system that would only help the poor, and the illegal immigrants get free health care.

Answer 3

I am an American, and I choose bombing the piss out of the terrorists, no matter where ever they are. Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Nepal, Sri Lanka, anywhere! Sometimes innocent lives are lost due to this strategy, sure. But its still more healthier than any health care system I know of.

Answer 4

out those i would take the first, we dont need a national healthcare system, it is fine the way it is. If someone with out healthcare goes into a hospital the still get helped.....why should it change?

Answer 5

I would chose to send you to Iraq in the middle of a town square wear a t-shirt say I am an American an proud of it. See how long you last. Oh I'm sorry that wasn't on your choice list was it.

Answer 6

It's obvious you formed your opinion of America based on your prior posts long before the war in Iraq. Spare us from your lunacy!

Answer 7

In retrospective the latter......

Answer 8

There is no one gov no one leader that takes the people to heart and looks to do the right things for the right reason. this makes the world unstable. Being unstable makes contentment hard to come by. If the world could ever reach contentment wars would disappear. Who, after having a big meal with the family, wants to go and fight in a war for someone or cause that talks being poor and wrenched is the other guys fault?

I think I have a way to make America so wealthy we could BE the shining example for the world. If WE were that wealthy the world would lick our boot for us to help them get where we would be. I think doing this would start that world contentment process and give us the ability to see it through:


America could conquer the world. Not with warring, but with such overwhelming wealth that the whole world would lick our boots to get our help for themselves. I can make a provable, tangible, graph able outline for doing this.

First someone like me would have to the President. I say that because I'm the kind of man that can't be knuckled under, I don't take you can't do that and just quit, and no matter how hard the job is I never stop short.

I’m a working class man, I came up doing body work, so I know how to fix the tangled mess others have made.

As President, this being THE most powerful position in the world, I would go completely around the Senate and the House. I would use the Executive Order and write the checks to get what needs to be done, done ASAP! The treasury is in the executive branch and Lincoln wrote checks to get things done, so I would do the same.

By Executive Order, I would start with fixing the governments money problems and getting the citizens tax problems solved. Then I would stop the foreign companies that cheat the US out their share of taxes, and make a loophole free way to collect every penny they owe.

Next would come the illegals, I'd get them all registered, employed, and put them on the tax roles not us. We need the illegals paying taxes because there's just not enough Gen Xer's to pay the SS for the Boomers and Gen Xer's.

I'd make millions of high wage jobs with renewable power plant construction jobs and renewable power would be a priority. I'd build so much clean power we would have power in overabundance, and could supply the whole world with clean US made power. 1/3 of the money from the foreign power bills would be put into a fund and every head of household would get a paycheck and NO tax bill!

To continue doing this would make a book so I'm going to outline what’s to be:

1st90 days by ExOrder
Establish Earth Rights for all of America like in Alaska
End income taxes;fund the Gov the right way, not on our backs
End tax paper work for the citizens, not business
End all welfare programs, save the money
Balance the budget, officials are not paid till it’s done
Regular people for elected officials, no lawyers or rich
End lobbyists, take the money out of politics
Make graft illegal, have mandatory jail time
Close the DOE, save the money
Take the Gov out of the schools, PTA run save money
Set Iraq’s oil to pay for the war, make an exit plan with the military
Prisoners work for jail costs, not us, save the money
Make foreign tax cheats pay, tariff goods @retail every container
Register the illegals, put them to work and on the tax roles not us
Private SS accounts, makes us millionaires, no gov access to money
After90 days by ExOrder
Build renewable power, make millions of high wage jobs
Build a fund from foreign power bills like Alaska uses to PAY us
End Nuclear power
Build electric powered roads, make more millions of high wage jobs
Thousands of jobs building electric cars trucks
End our dependence on foreign oil
Clean the polluted water with clean electric power
Return America to 50% of world’s economy


The Alaska state constitution claims common heritage rights of ownership of oil and other minerals for the people of the state as a whole. Citizen dividend checks are distributed every year in Alaska out of the interest payments to an oil royalties deposit account called the Alaska Permanent Fund (APF) created in 1976 after oil was discovered on the North Slope. The APF is a public trust fund - a diversified stock, bond and real estate portfolio - into which are deposited the oil royalties received from the corporations which extract the oil from the lands of Alaska. The first citizen dividend check from the interest of the APF was issued in 1982 and was for $1000 per every person for everyone in Alaska who had resided in the state for at least one year. Annual citizen dividends have been issued every year since then, for a total of more than $23,000 per person.

In 2003, each of the nearly 600,000 Alaska US citizens (residents of Alaska for at least one year) received a check for $1,107 from the APF. The total amount dispersed was $663.2 million. The $25 billion investment fund's core experienced stock market losses which led to the dividend's decline this past year compared to the several previous years. The amount was $433 less, a 28 percent drop from the 2002 pay out of $1,540, and a 44 percent decrease from the all-time high of $1,964 in year 2000. The amount changes based on a five-year average of APF investment income derived from the bonds, stock dividends, real estate and other investments.

Alaska relies on oil for about 80 percent of its revenue and has no sales or income tax. Alaska state government is mandated to invest 25% of its oil revenue into the APF while the other 75% of oil royalty revenue is dispersed to other government funds to finance education, infrastructure and social services. If 100% of Alaska's oil royalties had been deposited into the APF, it is conceivable that the CD this year could have been about $4,400 or $17,600 for a family of four. But then there would have been no funds for roads, education and other public services and no funds available to run the state legislature - a libertarian dream fulfillment or a social and economic disaster, which one we will never know. If state services were to have been maintained while 100% of oil royalties were deposited in the APF, there would of course have been the need for income, sales and other taxes on wages and production.

Alaska uses Earth Rights to pay about $1000 p/yr and not tax their residents. With all 50 states my fed go could pay $50,000 p/yr, NO TAXES, and fund the gov!

The foreign tariff money, the illegals taxes, and earthrights money pays all the gov expenses, funds the military better than now, and pays down the national debt with NO deficit.

The Renewable power fund would pay what I call a National Income Program, and when the fund matures in about 30 years, would pay about another $50,000 p/yr.

So $50,000 p/yr from the Earth Rights and NO taxes. Millions of high wage power plant construction jobs, we would need to build 5000 power plants just to start, and build for many years to come.

Then make millions more high wage jobs to build new electric powered roads to use the clean power. Makes thousands of jobs to build electric cars and trucks that use power from the new electric powered roads.

Foreign oil dependence would end! The Arabs could drink their oil, we don’t need it any more. The oil money that funds the terrorists would dry up, and terrorism would strangle, then die. Domestic oil production would supply all our needs.

Then comes the $50,000 p/yr from the National Income Program, with the Earth Rights money my gov could then pay every household $100,000p/yr, all with no taxes.

Then the private SS accounts would have about a $1,000,000 in them for your retirement. The rich make fortunes by building money in funds just this same way, so what works for the rich, will work for the nation.

This builds America to be 300,000,000 millionaires. The money would be passed to your Aires and NO TAXES. Each new generation would be richer than their forebears. Soon newborns would be born millionaires, and the system would continue to multiply their wealth for each next generation.

America would be so wealthy that soon we would be the envy of the world, and people from around the world would lick our boots for us to help them get where we would be. America rules the world with wealth, not war.

With stable power comes jobs, with jobs comes prosperity. Prosperity makes life comfortable, with comfort comes contentment. Contentment would bring peace, and war would be a thing of the past. If someone for some strange reason wanted start a war we could just stop beaming them power.

I take it you know electric power can be beamed on a microwave inside a laser beam to a satellite and put anywhere it's needed on the earth! So cut the beam and no power. It's hard to ,fight a war with no lights or power. America controls the power!

The renewable power is fuel-less so it's cheap clean power! It’s without the inflation of fuel costs, so the price would remain stable.

I grew up loving to watch Super Man as a kid, he made a lasting impression on me. I’ve lived my life by his motto “ Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”, it still rings in my ears today as it did when I was a child. I want to bring this to America’s government, and drive out the flim flam men! I want America to BE the shining example all the the whole world wishes to emulate.


The Flim Flam Men:


They make speeches about they must have taxes, and every politician knows what is being done in Alaska. Alaska Pays all their residents with earth rights and doesn’t tax their residents. This makes the politicians liars!

They make speeches to get elected and make promises about what they will do for us. They say nothing about getting every dime of lobby money to do what big biz wants that’s opposite what they promised you they would do. That makes them cheats!

They stole your grandmother’s retirement money from SS. Now you face getting nothing for your SS payments. That makes them thieves!

They tax us, but they know the foreign companies pay no taxes on the goods they sell here. The goods are sold then bought on paper in a foreign port to skate the tax laws. Thus eliminating their profit on paper to cheat the US out of the taxes they owe. This makes them backstabbers!

They take lobby money to put earmarks and pork in every law that passes their desk. Then they do photo ops, a news clips to promote themselves as doing something good for us and America. So they corkscrew us!

They make back room deals and give our tax money to foreigners who build factories with our money. Then they write laws that send our jobs overseas. This makes them dirty dealers!

So lets total all this up. They lie, cheat, steal, backstab, corkscrew, and dirty deal. HELL their Flim Flam Men! Just like in the George C. Scott movie “ The Flim Flam Man”!

They are called the “ Honorable” Senator or Representative. Hell Flim Flam Men have NO honor what so ever! They’re crooks, criminals for God’s sake!

The BBC has film of ALL of them going in and out of Abramoff’s restaurant. That’s THE place in DC to get loaded with lobby money. The BBC has been running this story, and trying to get the US media to run it too. The US media refuses to run the story.

It’s time to take America back! Get registered! VOTE! Vote for anyone that’s not a Democrat or a Republican. They have ALL the power and ALL the control. They must bear ALL the responsibility for their gross mismanagement and abysmally poor judgment! It’s time to put THEM in the unemployment line!

We are all slaves, we own nothing! Even if you paid off the bank, try not paying the extortion tax, and the gov takes your house. Try not paying the income extortion tax, and you go to jail. You can’t even run away like the slaves of old. The gov will hunt you down, and you got to jail.

What’s the difference? You pay with your work, or you work to pay. We are slaves, the smoke and mirrors BS hides the truth from us. Da masser geds his’uns pound a flesh. Sucks! Doesn’t it?

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The treat to security by any group,
anywhere can no longer be tolerated.
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Except the freedom to act irresponsibly!
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