How improbable is it that 9/11 was an 'inside job'?

Question

Conan Doyle (through Sherlock Holmes) said: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"

If you haven't already done so, you should see the evidence. The evidence which, of course, most people overlooked in the emotional hype of the event and after.

This site is one of the best and most well organised ones I have found:
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/background.html

If you must answer immediately, please look at the site and come back and amend or endorse your answer afterwards.

It would be helpful if you stated whether or not you are an American citizen.

I believe that I have adhered to Community Guidelines in that this question seeks only to stimulate debate - not to foster hatred. It asks people to answer with their honest opinion without any colour of hate or love.

A 'Best Answer' will be one which gives the most reasoned and (as far as I can judge) answer to the main question. It should take into account the arguments for and against 9/11 being an orchestrated act by the US Government or significant people involved in it.

Hyperhealer: I know where you are coming from and I do understand how you feel.

I honestly don't know what to say to people who voted Democrat. (Just as I don't know what to say to people who voted our Prime Minister in).

It seems that all politicians (ok, most) are fine and dandy until they get into power. Then something changes.

Waal and thenkya, Mister George Dubya Bush fer answering ma question soooo politically correctly. Sir, I laaaave yeur haaat, tehe!

Waal and thenkya, Mister George Dubya Bush fer answering ma question soooo politically correctly. Sir, I laaaave yeur haaat, tehe!

Fred: I appreciate your points and thanks for the link to false, unproven, dubious and true items. I find that site curious. None of the 'true' items deal with the central issues of the collapse of the World Trade Centre buildings. Nor do any of the false items attempt to refute anything more than what I already perceived while watching the vids that I did as 'dubious' or 'unverifiable'. I can understand your unwillingness to give those videos credence. I had several times to resist the temptation to dismiss them as rubbish because of the somewhat fanatical feeling about the way they were made. Nor am I an American who has sworn allegiance to flag and country (and I would be one of the first to uphold your right to feel pride in and unanimity with your nation).

[cont to Fred] I would only contend that the claims made by the website you quoted do not deal with what I consider the most incontrovertible and demonstrable piece of evidence - that of the generally available footage shot by various cameras which shows the speed and efficiency of the complete destruction of three buildings, one of which was not even seriously damaged by collision or fire.

Answer 1

there is too much on that site to rebut here. but i find it extremely improbable. ockham's razor is not as valuable as hanlon's in this case. that is "**** up before conspiracy".

if you want something specific addressed, post it please in the details. but the site does not convince me. what convinces you?

the evidence is very vague, all that i can find points to thousands of aggregate failures. these failures killed all of those people who were just going to work or travelling for business, relying on our government and society to ensure a degree of safety. i don't see the outlines of any concerted effort or conspiracy unless i really work to suspend my disbelief. the government is too incompetent.

i don't think those failures have been addressed, and that is what scares me. the fed has done a lot in the interim, but so many things went wrong on 9-11 that seem to be systemic problems of bureaucracy and cya type activity. we continue to give them power and authority despite this. the conspiracy sites give them too much credit, the administration can't even keep their torture programs a secret. incompetence can be every bit as destructive as malevolence.

i am taking no loyalty oath... american enough for you??

Answer 2

I am a U.S. citizen, and not in complete approval of the actions taken by the current administration, although I do not suspect them of staging a terrorist attack on their own soil. The idea that some rogue force within the US government was able to successfully orchestrate such an atrocity is not just absurd, it is repugnant. No amount of lurid conspiracy yarns spun by the tinfoil hat community will convince any reasonable person that anyone other than foreign terrorists were responsible for the attacks.

Likewise, there is little chance of those enraptured by a vast (yet incoherent) conspiracy theory to shake it off and come back to reality, either. I can see them believing it for different reasons. Maybe they're scared at how vulnerable America was at that moment and are desperately hoping that something that horrific could only happen at the hands of a sinister government plot. Others may be clinging to it to confirm their existing prejudices about certain religions, races, or countries. It is a pitiful place to be, and a terribly difficult place to think clearly. They have surrendered to it and are merely along for the ride. Occam's razor is not shiny enough for that crowd. To me, they are even worse than the annoying rubes who still proclaim that the moon landings were staged. No, they're worse than that - I'd say they are as despicable as Holocaust deniers.

Answer 3

I am an American. I have seen several websites that explore the possibilities that it was an inside job. The facts are overwhelming to support a conspiracy.

I particularly like the notion that a 767 hit the Pentagon at full speed, and just made a little hole about 10 ft in dia. And of course the FBI won't realease and vids of it, just a few blurry snapshots. (Maybe they need more time to fake a good vid for the public)

You can draw a very good comparason to the JFK assasination. He was a liberal president, trying to shrink the US military complex and get us OUT of Vietnam. He was replaced by Johnson who was a political opposite that expanded it beyond all reason. Just like W did with the excuse of a war on terrorists.

Our defense budget is now bigger than all the other countries in the world combined. What do we need that for? It's insane!

Answer 4

There is no need to further investigate any new sites in my opinion. The Truth is clear. There are three questions I keep asking and to date no credible answer, response has been given.

1. With the most technologised state in the world, why have we not been given definitive proof that a plane crashed into the Pentagon.

2: Why were only three buildings 'PULLED' following the the WTC crashes. All in the same ownership and one (building 7) holding some very very sensitive information.

3: Why was the 9/11 Commission not allowed to do a full and comprehensive investigation into what was America's single most damaging disaster.

Once these questions are answered, I suppose we will get to the improbable truth.

Answer 5

I have seen that website. It certainly does raise some valid questions. In view of how this government has acted since 9/11 it is very obvious that they had some sort of finger in it. Either directly or knowingly to let it happen. I still dont believe that a passenger airliner hit Pentagon. There is no direct evidence of that. People are so shocked from this whole thing they believe everything gov. says. If you have seen movie "V for Vendetta" it's exact same thing. Fear is a way this government keeps their stronghold on American people. They talked about invading Iraq from the first day they were in office. They just needed a good excuse to do it. What happened since then? Oil hit all time record highs, Oil companies and Halliburton ripped billions of dollars profits, they have invaded privacy and violated all kinds of constitutional principles, they have pillaged the treasury to make all their friends rich, budget deficits ran into half trillions, 100,000 +total people died on both sides not to mention innocent Iraqi's women and children who have been murdered and raped by US soldiers. Terrorism in the world increased at least tenfold, more terrorists have been created who hate USA's guts, Economy tanked, environment suffered irreversible damage, our own people in New Orleans have been left to deal with tragedy while the leaders of this country were having celebrations, our respect in the political international world has been completely erased, Possibly close to 50 thousand US soldiers have been maimed and lives destroyed and and on....I cannot name one good thing this administration did for the benefit of this country or the world. The damage will be irreparable for decades to come.

So yes it was an inside job and anyone who thinks otherwise is naive....

Answer 6

I am an American that has voted Democrat in the last 4 elections.

Government Conspiracy Theories™ are based upon 2 flawed ideas...

1) That the government is a competent

2) That the government can keep a secret.

I find it even more improbable that someoone in our current administration... which contains appointees by both Clinton and Bush, could sevcretely orchestrate, conduct and keep secret the deaths of over 3000 people. Do you believe that there is no one of any type of concious in the white house?

I find that even more far fetched.

Answer 7

I am an American and I belive that it was a big set up for something much more deceitful then what we have been lead to believe. I have friends who own a shopin NEW York by the towers and there were goverment agents outside the towers 2 hours before the actual incidents.

Such a shame that a man would do this to his own country and an even bigger shame that he has been elected President again, but how when immediatly after the election, his rejection rate was high and noone claimed to have voted....

I am moving to Canada!!

Answer 8

lol i imagine the interior interest is the funniset maximum unrealistc consipracy I easily have ever heard of. because a million. i'm efficient that even as they were construction the international commerce centers, what decrease back contained in the 60s or 70s? That they finally purposly confident all of us in contact to cause them to weak so as that years later the authorities ought to apply it as an exuse to invade Iraq? ya acceptable. 2. If it became an interior interest, then it would not be a consiracy it must be truth. simply by 1000's of thousands of greenbacks that interior human beings ought to receives a fee to formally say that. lol that's like the dumb those who belive that we did not fairly land on the moon. 3. there are a spread of exams and balences contained in the yankee governmnet. no individual ought to spoil out with that. purely look on the open problems with the democrats as against republicans over even a lot less significant themes? sure i'm efficient this can stay lower than the wraps, fairly. 4. If the authorities paid Osama or different terroists to attrack us, then why would not Osama tell the yankee human beings? What extra perfect oppertinity to exhibit the rustic he hates maximum antagonistic to their very personal authorities? in ordinary words in Hollywood. regardless of the indisputable fact that that's an artistic conspiracy. purely no longer a actual one. I believe what you suggested, extremely about the baby wearing that blouse.

Answer 9

Politics is a scratch your back society. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice- they have no idea what they are doing. Do I think it was an inside job? Thats like saying Pearl Harbor was an inside job. Look at the aftermath of Katrina. Why didn't Micheal Brown have a decent strategy for getting those people out? The Coast Guard took it upon themselves to rescue people by helicopter and deliver what supplies they had on hand. They knew the job and found a way to make it happen. Adapt and overcome. But Rice doesn't have a clue. How does a person miserably fail at her job costing thousands of lives and get promoted for it? Saying they had something to do with it other than being retarded is giving them to much credit. They certainly had plenty of opportunity to recognize the threat and prevent it-their bad.
P.S. gas prices were already on the rise in 2000 because of OPEC's decision to suspend price band for crude oil which has been in effect since the 70's (and Bush's close relationship with the Saudi's). It had more to do with their greed and because of India and China industrializing thanks to the concerted effort of the Bush administration to broaden the economic prosperity of American business overseas. (Anyone get downsized because of outsourcing to India?)

Answer 10

US.
Go to Hollywood and learn how they can make something appear to be anything they desire.
How do you think an ad or movie can show any animal "speak like human a being",? Lips moving so realistically that a lip reader could read the words?

Can one other than Hollywood produce the same thing?

Do you not know the power of your computer?

You site one place on the web. Have you researched "EVERY LAST SITE", every source and painstakingly analyzed all them thoroughly?

If you saw only the legs of an animal, I presume you would deduct that is a dog. Don't all dogs have four legs?
Right on!
Please, for the sake of mankind, everywhere.
Do not go into medicine or science. Become a grave digger.
No research or common sense needed.

Answer 11

You think the New York Times wouldn't jump all over this if there was even a HINT that Bush planned the whole thing???!!!

These type of "conspiracy" theories are the kind of primitive thought processes our ancestors used to explain the world around them when they didn't otherwise have the tools (usually intellectual) to understand things.

Remember people throwing their fellow man into volcanos in order to placate the angry "gods".

Yeah. Same thing.