If God made everything, who made God? What could be the motive behind such a vast existence?

Question

Please don't use the example of air. Any practicle thoughts would help. Thanks

Answer 1

Please read this nice artical from Spiritual Scientist group:

THE SPIRITUAL SCIENTIST
A Cyber Magazine for Those Who Think


How Everything Began?




THE CONVENTIONAL STORY

Look up at the night sky, full of stars and planets. Where did it all come from? These days most scientists will answer that question with some version of the big bang theory. In the beginning (or before the beginning, if you will), you will hear, all matter in the universe was concentrated into a single point (known as a singularity) at an extremely high temperature, and then it exploded with tremendous force. From an expanding superheated cloud of sub-atomic particles, atoms gradually formed, then stars, galaxies, planets and finally life. This litany, having assumed the status of revealed truth, is elaborated in countless text books, paperbacks, slick science magazines and television specials complete with computer generated effects.

As an exciting, mind grabbing story it certainly works. And the big bang theory does seem to be based on factual observation, and the scientific method.

The big bang theory, though appealing and apparently plausible, literally collapses when confronted with one gnawing question: where did the singularity come from? Here the scientists face the same difficulty as the religionists they taunt with the question, `Where did God come from?' And just as the religionists respond with the answer that God is the cause of all causes, the scientists are faced with the prospect of declaring a mathematically indescribable, physically unrealizable point of infinite density and temperature, of infinitesimal size, existing before all conceptions of time and space, as the cause of all causes. At this point, the hapless scientists stand convicted of the same unforgivable intellectual crime that they have accused the saints and mystics of committing - making physically unverifiable supernatural claims.


THE CHOICE

An open-minded thinker now has to choose between two options about the origin of everything - a dead insentient unintelligent singularity or a living thinking intelligent designer. Neither of these is `scientific' in the sense in which the term is presently used; in fact anything which is beyond the realm of space and time is actually beyond the jurisdiction of science. Therefore an approach of an entirely different nature is called for to deal with this question.


A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE

`To observe a chain of events only from a certain point in time is unscientific and gives only incomplete knowledge. We must know where things begin. If we carry out our investigations far enough, we will find that the origin of nature is achintya-shakti (inconceivable energy).'

Eloquence, it is said, is truth spoken concisely. The eloquence of Srila Prabhupada, the greatest exponent of spiritual science in the modern times, can be seen in these words. In these few words, Srila Prabhupada has captured the essential flaw of the entire scientific methodology, as propounded by modern science. He has also delineated the fundamental basis of research in higher dimensional science.

Srila Prabhupada provides the philosophical basis for such an approach with a beautiful analogy. When a person accustomed to living in darkness suddenly comes upon light, he is likely to think that the darkness has produced light. The truth however is exactly the opposite. Light is the origin, the beginning and the absence of light is known as darkness. So light is the source of darkness and not the other way round.

Similarly, the modern scientist is accustomed to dwelling in the world of matter, studying electrons, atoms, molecules, and other such insentient nonliving things. And when he stumbles upon life in a complicated combination of matter, he automatically tends to think that life has come from matter. But no one has been able to come up with even a theory to explain how life came from matter, leave alone replicate such a `lucky accident' in the laboratory!

On the other hand, our practical experience shows that an intelligent living person can easily create a variety of things; a carpenter creates a bureau, a civil engineer makes a skyscraper, an automobile engineer produces a Mercedes. There is absolutely no experience of the raw materials aligning by themselves into a useful product. Just imagine what would happen to the unemployment rate worldwide if that happened!


THE OBVIOUS CONCLUSION

The point is that it is far more logical, rational, reasonable and even scientific (used in the broadest sense) to infer that the starting point of everything was a living person rather than a dead singularity. Lord Kelvin, one of the world's greatest physicist, has stated this same conclusion in these profound words, `If you think deeply enough, you will be forced by science to believe in God.'

Also a thoughtful person can decide which doctrine to embrace based on what the consequences of that doctrine will be. In the previous issue, Treason against humanity', we discussed how a purely materialistic conception of life is individually frustrating, socially disastrous and globally unsustainable. (When we reject either God or the soul as `unscientific' and thus relegate spirituality to the realm of mythology, such a result is inevitable)


DID MAN CREATE GOD?

Of course, it should be emphasized that the conception of God is not a `survival mechanism' that the evolving man came up with to succeed in his struggle for existence. The wonders of creation all around us bear eloquent testimony for a superintelligent creator. Organs of extraordinary complexity in our own body such as the eye and the brain defy all reductionistic explanations. In Darwin's own words, `To suppose that the eye could have been formed by evolution, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.' The incredibly delicate ecological balance in nature, the mind-boggling magnitude of the solar energy and thousands of similar fantastic facets of the world insist that there is an intelligence behind them. (Refer to the previous issue A giant in a tiny package') In simple words, man did not create God; rather God created man and everything else.

In this issue, we discussed how even accepting that a big bang occurred, there is ample scientific room to consider that `God might have caused the big bang.' In subsequent issues, we will discuss whether the big bang is actually a scientifically admissible theory at all and, even if it is, what it requires to get from the big bang to where the universe is at present. Do join us as we continue on a journey that expands the frontiers of science and even goes beyond them.

Join us again for another session of thought-provoking discussion.

Answer 2

Is it wise to think that all what we see today come into existence through evolution or big bang? I cannot accept it because the wisdom used in the creations is such that there must be an aim behind all these. Take an example of a small creature. Even that is created in such a wonderful way that the mankind could not find the root except it is from another similar creature. The most high creation of human being is the top most wonder among them.

Now we have darkness on the beginning and at the end. In the first instance I tried to convince myself that there is no God. But upon observing the world - it becomes more difficult to believe that the creations are its own. Watch the world from north to south and east to west. There are many races of people from all corners of world that keep a common belief that there is a Creator and they worshipped him in some form or the other. The worships must have shaped into today's forms through centuries or millenniums. But then, there must be a reason in the beginning to get that worship started and the races continued it wherever they reached.

If someone can give an answer to your question “who created God”, the whole world will change the next moment. Both the dark beginning and the dark end must be because of our limited visibility range.

Answer 3

Or to put in another way:

Their question is because the adjusted delimitations of people with difficulty, which are based up, which they notice and include/understand. The concept one omnipresent and omni present God accepts the necessity at a creator, but forms it that, which exists the universe of really?The without reason one could itself discuss at least. On view the concept the "university verse" could compare nearly, around like the wondrous, and amazing this right to be the concept of the God. Could they be and identical? They are certainly enormously presence of interrelated.The to be to and the existence in to vastness the time and the space are attached. We belong to the vacuum and cannot not by it outside be existed. However is not the vacuum, which beyond the kingdoms of the area is. It is not possible to open a break the vacuums or the delimitations on area, because such delimitations do not exist in a finished adjustment and in the Unchanging. If one could "examine", the kingdoms of the area simply would circle and contain. That, which is external, simply does not exist, so strongly, as it must introduce itself. At least it is discutablement the majority, which we know, and we are for more speculer over such one boundaries.So outside completely welcomely, now, which we narrow again with our limited finished individuals, and we look in the mirror and we are surprised that, why formed God in vastness exist

Answer 4

It is very unlikely that God existed before the emergence of mankind, indeed there is no evidence to support such a deity during the Earths previous history.

So Man made God because we as a species are sentient, and able to realise our position within the great scheme of things.

God was invented by those who could not explain in scientific terms as to how we got 'here' or how the universe was created or even if they realised that the universe existed in the first place.

If we assumed that God created everything then also consider that the expansion of the Universe since the 'big bang' is generally similar to a nuclear explosion, with neutrons, protons and electrons being substituted by planets, stars and suns.

Would it not be that 'our' God(s) could be only minor deities compared to the God of the 'greater world' or the source of the initial explosion?

Answer 5

I don't know what you mean by

"What could be the motive behind such a vast existence"

If you mean "Why did God create so much?" then I would have to say that it seems very unlikley that there is a God at all. The fact that there is so much seemingly pointless stuff in the universe leads me to believe that the cosmos is the result of random processes and not the creation of a God.

Answer 6

To my mind, an unlimited universe must include all possibilities, both the manifest and the unmanifest (potential). This is also called Being/Not-being. As these two aspects are incompatible, a tension exists between them, a dynamic energetic flux, which is neither being nor non-being. this flux creates the patterns that make up the world of forms, including time and thought.
All of this is a whole ,no part coming before, or being more important, or powerful than any other. It is one 'Being/Non-being/Neither being nor non-being' .
Thought's basic pattern ,is recognising patterns, excluding periferal data, and using the resulting ideas to manipulate it's environment. Thought seeks security thus by defining it's world.
As such 'God' may well be an attempt to describe the energetic flux that patterns our existance. From that thought continues to try and define the undefinable ,tying itself with limitations,and beliefs.
Some religious people seek release in Non-being,or knowledge of the patterns of existance,( like attempting to grasp the ocean with a piece of paper ) Others seek power ,by identifying with their roots in the energetic flux. To my mind any search for truth must include acceptance of all aspects ,and if we seek a God ,that must also include all aspects, with no beginning or end.

I hope you will excuse my answering- it was a perfect opportunity to express this. The way forward really is just the asking .
It seems that answering that doesn't open the enquiry ,is just more deadening security. Real enquiry however might be called true prayer, a way beyond....

Answer 7

im not a religious guy but i think he existed always that means there was never a beginning and never an end to his existence those kinda explanations are beyond our comprehension ...and we can't talk about time cuz it's only a period-meter that we use to keep track on our lifes and our time-line starts at the creation of the world and the 1st organism alive in this planet and will end when this planet gets destroyed...and there'z no way to compare our time with gods time...4 him such thing doesn't exist ...that's the reason he is GOD

Answer 8

that is a large if. this is no longer a threat for God to have made each and every thing that exists, because then that ought to require God to have created himself, and that ought to require that God existed formerly he existed, this is nonsense. the in basic terms issues that require a author are those issues that had a beginning. this is no longer a threat for each thing to have had a beginning, because if there became ever a time even as no longer something in any respect existed, then no longer something ought to exist now. the very shown truth that many stuff exist now calls for that something ought to exist with no beginning. God had no beginning, and therefore became no longer made. Then universe, on the different hand did have a beginning, and so calls for a reason. God is the author of the universe.

Answer 9

There are two types of energy, material or inferior energy & spiritual or superior energy, the manifested material world and everything within it, has a begining and an end, the purpose or motivation for its existence, is born from our own desire to exist separately from the eternal realm, which is the spiritual world. All of us are pure spiritual beings, covered by a gross material body & a subtle material mind, intelligence & ego, false ego is to recognise the temporary material body as oneself, with the subtle identification associated with it, e.g. I am an Australian, I am caucasian, I am a manager or an engineer etc etc, the real ego is that I am an eternal spiritual being temporarily encased in a material body. That real body is an eternal spiritual body composed of eternality, knowledge & bliss, eternal means it has no begining & it has no end, it can remain in the material realm & continually "dress up" in different material forms, eternally, due to individual desire & activity, or alternatively, with the appropriate knowledge, can become free of this eternal cycle of birth & death, by uncovering the original pure spiritual form, which is part & parcel of the supreme spirit or God, the supreme has a form, just as we have a form, a spiritual form, which we are simultaneously one with and different from. When the individual living entity that is covered by the material or illusory energy, boldly asks the question, who created God, it is a declaration of ignorance in the sense that the individual eternal self is undiscovered & God is also undiscovered. The limited can never understand the limits of the unlimited, because there arent any, there are no boundaries, no fences, there is no begining, no end, etc. The time factor for example is an impersonal feature of the absolute and the concept of "nothing" is conspicuous only by its absence. The purpose of that supreme absolute? Of which we are part and parcel of, is pleasure, because the supreme absolute is personal, so the personal pleasure and fulfillment that each individual is looking for, has an original source and untill we reconnect with that original source, we will always be asking questions such as these, after the connection is made, we get sufficient revelation to satisfy the self many times over.

You can only understand God from God, the above statement is a pure reflection of knowledge contained in the Bhagavad Gita & Srimad Bhagavatam, which were transcribed 5,000 years ago and prior to that passed down from generation to generation by aural reception, since the begining of this singular universe 155 trillion years ago. God, Krishna,the supreme personality of Godhead, is inviting you by revelation contained in this literature (revealed scripture) to understand him and reconnect with him through Bhakti, which is selfless love and devotion. From Krishna or God comes revelation, but the approach must be sincere. Unfortunately other religious processes reveal their ignorance about God via transference, by stating that no-one can know God, whilst foolishly trying to maintain that they are exclusive.

Answer 10

Your question is difficult because people set limits based upon what they perceive and understand. The concept of a ubiquitous, omni-present god assumes the necessity of a creator, but does it really?

The universe exists without motive, at least one could argue. Upon contemplation, one could almost compare the concept of "universe" to be just as miraculous, and marvelous as the concept of God. Could they be one and the same? They most certainly are vastly interrelated.

The presence of being and existence are inherently tied to the vastness of time and space. We belong to the void, and do not exist outside of it. However, the void is not what lies beyond the realms of space. To breach the voids or limits of space is not possible because such limits do not exist in a finite, unchanging setting. If one could "try", the realms of space would merely curve and contain. That which lies outside simply does not exist, as hard as that is to imagine. At least that is arguably the most we know, and we are fully welcome to speculate beyond such boundaries.

So now we shrink back to our limited finite selves, and we look in the mirror and we ask ourselves, why does God exist in the vastness. What we fail to recognize in the mirror, is that perhaps God exists in the inherent, in the small, in the very fiber of things, tying all things together, a universal "harp" whose strings can be felt and imagined within us and within our lives. God exists in the pulse and vibrations of nature and the universe, and in the rythyms of our breathing, thinking, and lives.

Perhaps it really is the music of the spheres, which vibrates this pulse of animation, existence and life. Now God and the universe are one, and we are an intricate, important, conscious and self contemplating part of it. We then become the universe itself, admiring it's reflection through the mirror of our eyes.

Good day my friend. Go and contemplate. Give the universe and God a reflection they can be well pleased with.

Answer 11

People made the concept of god. They were motivated by the need to make a story that included an after-life so they would not have to ponder the more incomprehensible world without themselves after they died. If god(s) existed then there "soul" would also exist beyond death. As an agnostic, I would say there is no telling what happens once we die or if there is/are god(s)